[Blade8r]

why not somebody get a jeep wrangler Drop the SRT-4 motor in it and mate that up with a Liberty tranny. run a stand alone with custom wireing and such..

then you get a RWD SRT-4. all domestic style.

 

[TanDaMan99]

Whoo! Gonna keep an eye out for this one. I working swap would really mean something for the 2GNTs. Love'em even though they are what they are.

 

[NeonDan]

there will always be the small issues to overcome...

2.4s sit about 1-1.5 higher/taller than the 2.0s...hint one....clearance will be an issue

srt4s run on a 32th tooth cranktrigger setup vs the 16 of the 2.0/2.4 of pre 03'.....hint two....stand alone needed

THEN

theres the part of the oem srt turbo....i dont think you could close the hood with it installed so now we are talking the need of turbo kit that places the turbo lower or a custom manifold/dp setup......hint three....custoim turbo kit needed.

exhaust....since the turbo would be out front you'd have a couple of options. You could run the exhaust under the motor through the passage where the stock hotpipe passes under on the srt4 setup then re route the IC pipes accordingly...which would be the simplest. The other...use your imagination....hint four...i think you are starting to get it....

basically..if you really really want to do this swap you'll have to run a 3.55/3.94 neon tranny or the 3 speed auto.....hint five...shall i continue???:hi:

why!!!! i ask?

 

[dthquazi]

or you could easily fab a mount that moves the motor down and forward the necessary amount to make it fit.

A standalone would be great when you do the swap you would do a whole swap...including the ecu so why would it be an issue about a standalone?

When you do the swap you could install the guage cluster from the srt. It should work if you use the wiring harness components that run the cluster from the srt as well. If you plan on doing this swap you should have some knowledge of it...that will be enough to get the cluster into the eclipse.


they are all pretty easy solutions actually. Except the tranny one.

 

[-Tom-]

#1 you would have to COMPLETELY rewire your car and use either standalone or Chryslers NGC PCM (either would be a PITA)
#2 good luck finding a tranny to fit (unless you like 5 spds of reverse)
#3 you do know that there are PLENTY of internals and turbo kits available in the aftermarket world right? Need internals and other stuff? check www.modernperformance.com if its for a neon its for the eclipse....the only difference is that the head is "mirrored" so you can use the cams....
#4 WITH new internals and boost you can produce more HP than an SRT can (both turbo output and engine strength)
#5 its a nice day dream but really not feasable....doing it to be different just means you havnt thought it through or you have too much money....

 

[sour kraut]

#1 you would have to COMPLETELY rewire your car and use either standalone or Chryslers NGC PCM (either would be a PITA)
#2 good luck finding a tranny to fit (unless you like 5 spds of reverse)
#3 you do know that there are PLENTY of internals and turbo kits available in the aftermarket world right? Need internals and other stuff? check www.modernperformance.com if its for a neon its for the eclipse....the only difference is that the head is "mirrored" so you can use the cams....
#4 WITH new internals and boost you can produce more HP than an SRT can (both turbo output and engine strength)
#5 its a nice day dream but really not feasable....doing it to be different just means you havnt thought it through or you have too much money....

1. It's doable with the ngc pcm and some splicing into the original harness for things like fans and a/c.

2. Have you looked under the hood of a 2gnt? :lol: the tranny is on the drivers side JUST like the srt4 and rotates the same direction!! You could use the stock tranny but it would be easier to use the srt4's.

3. Look at the cost difference. I bought a complete swap, engine, tranny, pcm, skim reader, original keys, wiring harness, and all the other little boxes in the car for 2.5k. How much is a hahn turbo kit and the supporting mods going to cost? How much are all the internals going to run you on top of that? I think it would come out to be about the same if you do the work yourself.

4. I can't argue with that. IF you spend all that money to build that 2.0 your motor is going to be capable of more, but I bet it's going to cost more too.

5. I've been looking into this and it is feesable and it will probably cost less than having to rebuild with new internals, the turbo kit, and all the supporting mods needed.

Some people just have a very narrow vision when it comes to these things. The're going to tell you it can't be done or it will cost too much. If you think you can do it, and do it on a given budget after doing all the research, who cares about them. It's your project, not theirs. :hi:

 

[-Tom-]

Oh by all means I would like to see it be done, the neon transmission could probably be swapped in WAY easier than a SRT transmission, WHICH brings up the next point, drive shafts. The SRT ones wont fit in the Eclipse OR neon hubs. You MIGHT be able to do a turbo Shadow axle and hub on one side and a PT axle and shadow hub on the other side. (Thats a cheap axle upgrade for us 1st gen neon kids) Then again one could just have custom axles made....

Also would you be doing an SRT cluster swap with this? Being that all 2000 up neons use BUS data instead of pulses to control the cluster.

I could really see this making a great drag only project (if of course a 4G63 swap would prove to be less difficult or you really had your heart set on the SRT motor, I head its difficult as well)

I like the idea but again feasability is not there. Some kid around here swapped a 4G63 into a civic for some reason. Its interesting but...why?

One thing that has been thrown around but I havnt seen done yet is taking the Libery transmission off the 2.5L diesle and making RWD fun....

 

[Ray00]

some of the 2nd gen eclipses share the same motors as the dohc 1st gen neon.


just rotated different. it can be done

if you want to send us the car, we can do it for you. we have done several srt to 1st gen swaps and im sure we can do this one

 

[uberingram]

Have any of you actually MEASURED the engine bay of a 420a powered 2nd gen Eclipse? From tower to tower it is far narrower than a Neon. The 2.4 Turbo + NVT850 out of SRT will not physically fit. You're going to have to step down to an NVT350 but at that point you might as well have gotten a pre 03 2.4 from one of the cloud cars for not even anywhere near the cost of an SRT-4 drivetrain.

You 2GNTers need to look elsewhere. This is not an economical idea nor is it original. It has been discussed on 2GNT.com ad nauseum. I'm guessing you asked over there, got the flamed like the knob you are and decided that we would be better equipped to answer your completely asinine question. Well, the answer is no different.

 

[-Tom-]

Agreed that if your heart lies on a 2.4L turbo, get an 01-02 PT/Stratus/Caravan 2.4L (higher flow head w00t!) and do SRT internals and turbo. That would allow you to run the stock PCM your car came with although I wouldnt rev past 6500...simply cause the motor runs out of oomph unless equipped with crane 18s or larger....non forged pistons also like to separate with pulls above 7000, I've done it a few times and scared the crap out of my self.
Next question though, hood and tower clearance? I know i had to cut a good sized notch in my hoods skeletal frame to clear the valve cover.

 

[ben o4srt]

the 95 to 99 non turbo use the same tranny as all neons except srt-4.
You will have to modify the cross member on the eclipse so the oil pan will clear it .
The eclipse 95-99 non turbo
block is the same as a neon except the head.

Ben

 

[-Tom-]

errrr....no.... Eclipse transmission in a neon = 5 spds of reverse
Neon transmission in an eclipse= 5 spds of reverse.

(all this is assuming you are using the vehicles stock engine....

 

[uberingram]

errrr....no.... Eclipse transmission in a neon = 5 spds of reverse
Neon transmission in an eclipse= 5 spds of reverse.

(all this is assuming you are using the vehicles stock engine....

No...

 

[Team Octane]

i would put a Evo VIII motor in a GSX.. that would me cool

lmao...wow...so put a 4g63 into an already 4g63 car.... good idea there TECH 9

 

[thispainisourz]

nope... i used to have one lol... it sucked

i had a 1997 gs-t spyder..

with 60k miles
in the same month \
#1 my top stop working
#2 my altenator died
#3 my turbo broke
#4 the last straw .. tranny shit the bed..

i will never own another mitsubishi ..:gay:

 

[thispainisourz]

Agreed that if your heart lies on a 2.4L turbo, get an 01-02 PT/Stratus/Caravan 2.4L (higher flow head w00t!) and do SRT internals and turbo. That would allow you to run the stock PCM your car came with although I wouldnt rev past 6500...simply cause the motor runs out of oomph unless equipped with crane 18s or larger....non forged pistons also like to separate with pulls above 7000, I've done it a few times and scared the crap out of my self.
Next question though, hood and tower clearance? I know i had to cut a good sized notch in my hoods skeletal frame to clear the valve cover.

i'm curious how you would raise the redline past 6500 rpm..

when stock is 6250..

you would need a stand alone , cams alone are not going to raise the redline on your car..

with 18 grind cams you need at the minimum springs .. but most everyone would recommend head work with a CAM that large !! ..

just because 18's can rev over 7200 rpm's doesn't mean you bolt them on and instantly have an srt4 motor that revs to infinity ..

and if you willing to spend $2K on head work , another $2500 on a full stand alone..

why in gods name would you put any stock srt4 parts in it .. the pistons are crap... the turbo is small, and imo spools way to fast .. so he's spent about what now $8k to do the swap seems rather pointless to me.. i guess if you had infinte cash supplies .. it would be cool to own this theoretical car ..

but i'd rather build a 10 second dsm with an ecipse motor.. it would cost so much less .. i just don't get the point...

 

[-Tom-]

i'm curious how you would raise the redline past 6500 rpm..

when stock is 6250..

Easy, use the STOCK eclipse computer (rather similar to the neon computer) on a 95-02 2.4L The sensors should swap over, not sure of the firing order but you might have to rotate the cam magnet 90 degrees and move injectors 1->2 2->3 3->4 4->1 There for giving you the Stock eclipse rev limit.

why in gods name would you put any stock srt4 parts in it .. the pistons are crap... the turbo is small, and imo spools way to fast .. so he's spent about what now $8k to do the swap seems rather pointless to me.. i guess if you had infinte cash supplies .. it would be cool to own this theoretical car ..

Well, why you ask? HRM! Its a $600 engine build (plus $4-1200 for a good motor) + another $12-1500 for fuel, turbo, intercooler, ect items. First gen neon people have been doing it for years! Its cheap and is good for 220-260 WHP and 260-330 WTQ depending on boost levels. First gen neon guys have been doing it for years. I AM going on a limb though and assuming the engine (Chrysler based mitsu 2.0L) has very similar engine management to a neon. IF it does then doing a standard Chrysler 2.4L swap should be a breeze (no pun intended) The only hard part would be the mount fabrication and drive axles.

How do I know the ease of a 2.4 swap? geee maybe cause a have done it a few times.....

Assuming the Engine fires <1-4> <2-3> (batch fire) like a neon and uses the SAME injection order then a standard 2.4L would be the way to go. Getting a 95-02 2.4L Chrysler engine to run on the stock PCM would be SO easy. So get fabbing on the mounts (the transmission one shouldnt need any thing...maybe spinning the insert 180 deg to create more clearance) Your front mount will probably have to be trimmed to clear the oil pan and then a second adapter piece for the upper engine mount on the passenger side will be needed.

 

[thispainisourz]

like i said waste of money for 260 horsepower .. and a hell of a lotta work..

i didn't say it wasn't possible .. just why would you ..

to say you did it ?? i could build a 400 whp dsm for far less using his stock block ..
i just don't get the point.. all that money and under 300 hp ..

to each his own , i guess

 

[sour kraut]

like i said waste of money for 260 horsepower .. and a hell of a lotta work..

i didn't say it wasn't possible .. just why would you ..

to say you did it ?? i could build a 400 whp dsm for far less using his stock block ..
i just don't get the point.. all that money and under 300 hp ..

to each his own , i guess

Because the 2.4 block and srt internals can be gotten for alot less then you would spend on a 400whp dsm and the 2.4 has been swapped into the 2gnt's successfully for as long as the neon guys have been doing it. Yes you have to rotate the cam sensor. and redo the firing order, but it's easy to do. megasquirt is the key.

 

[-Tom-]

Yeah and not every one desires 400 hp....400 hp would be worthless to me. I autocross so right now a 2.4L with 2.0L cams, 55mm tb, UDP, Mopar PCM, 3.0L intake produce a great power band for me. I will be building the spare 2.4L in my garage with SRT internals and boosting it. My goal is 13.4 or less on street tires (roughly 260 whp) and then run low boost for autocross. SO why you ask would any one do that? their own particular goals arent 500 hp and 11s in the 1/4 mile....Sorry my attention span is longer than 15 seconds.....I need turns too. Both directions!

Now as to the thread starters particular goals, if he wants a quick daily driver then he should just bolt up an SRT turbo. grab a jonny race car intercooler, some bigger injectors, fuel pump and modify the housing, slap on an FMU and wide ban then tune away at 9-10 PSI The motor doesnt like much more than 250ft/lb of torque. But for some the 220-230 hp netted from that is plenty. Some people just dont see the obvious and shoot for grandios over the top.