OK guys. Sitting here watching the Red Sox bullpen blow another lead and surfing the threads. This warranty with mods question seems to be the hot one right now. If the car already does 150mph stock, do you actually think DCX would warranty mods that make it go even faster? shock I mean it doesn't make sense and could land them in a lot of legal trouble. I don't claim to be an expert and I know I'm going to get flamed on this, but I just can't see them covering our asses for blowing up a motor (or anything else) at 150+mph. Flame away!
Why would DCX warranty mods?
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Its just one more way to make money, and when they make money, they can come out with bigger and better things.
No offense Canada but the making more money argument doesn't work for me. Look at it this way. Some kid buys Mopar mods, gets them installed at a dealer. Next day he kills 3 people including himself when he crashes at high speed. His family now comes after a whole bunch of people, starting with DCX. DCX says we didn't drive the car, he did. The judge says to dcx "you guys knew the car was going to be more powerful or else you would not have warrantied the mods." DCX pays big bucks in out of court settlement. I wold love it if DCX would warranty mods, but I doubt it will happen.
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Does anyone else in here feel the way I do? I DO NOT believe that DCX will warranty the entire car with ANY aftermarket Mopar Performance updates. That's the way it has always been. My issue is that my dealership said that THEY will warranty any Mopar Performance item that they install on a new Mopar vehicle. As long as I get "IN WRITING" that same statement from my dealership, who gives a rats behind whether or not DCX warrantees it? If my dealership feels that the odds are good enough that something won't break and are willing to put their name on the warrantee, then that is enough for me.
Anyone else feel the same way? Just remember to get it in writing first and double-check the wording that states that you will retain any and all factory warrantees as well as the separate Mopar Performance warrantees.
-Sam
Anyone else feel the same way? Just remember to get it in writing first and double-check the wording that states that you will retain any and all factory warrantees as well as the separate Mopar Performance warrantees.
-Sam
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Im yet to go over 125 in my srt and i dont plan on doing it. I just want my 1/4 mile times go get better. Its not all about top end . For that get a supra, king of the top end!
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Ok mopar does warrenty mod and performance parts, usualy a 36/36,000 warrenty. but it also lets you know that if the4 parts you put on casue a faliure of another part that they will only fix the moded part and not the parts that it ruined and that those other parts won't be covered by warrenty cause you did something other than stock to the car.
it all depends on how picky the place is that does the work. one place said that if I put differnt rims on the car even though they are the same size they have the option of trying to prove that the new rims caused any problem relating to the tires/brakes and what not if they go bad.
Yeah I know that seem's like a silly example but the place just wanted me to be aware that some places might be jerks about it.
course I was told best thing is to just put the stock stuff back on if something goes wrong then take it back to get the work done under warrenty.
Ok mopar does warrenty mod and performance parts, usualy a 36/36,000 warrenty. but it also lets you know that if the4 parts you put on casue a faliure of another part that they will only fix the moded part and not the parts that it ruined and that those other parts won't be covered by warrenty cause you did something other than stock to the car.
it all depends on how picky the place is that does the work. one place said that if I put differnt rims on the car even though they are the same size they have the option of trying to prove that the new rims caused any problem relating to the tires/brakes and what not if they go bad.
Yeah I know that seem's like a silly example but the place just wanted me to be aware that some places might be jerks about it.
course I was told best thing is to just put the stock stuff back on if something goes wrong then take it back to get the work done under warrenty.
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Jakenclub has the right idea.
I have spoken to a tech at a heavy volume SRT dealer down in FL and he told me although the mopar mods would be under warranty themselves, that anything in direct connection to the modded parts would have their warranty voided. It also depends on the dealership/inspector of the car. He recommended that you keep ALL stock parts and if you have a problem that needs warranty work, replace all parts before you go in to save yourself some pain and money.
In a perfect world, everything would be under warranty...
I have spoken to a tech at a heavy volume SRT dealer down in FL and he told me although the mopar mods would be under warranty themselves, that anything in direct connection to the modded parts would have their warranty voided. It also depends on the dealership/inspector of the car. He recommended that you keep ALL stock parts and if you have a problem that needs warranty work, replace all parts before you go in to save yourself some pain and money.
In a perfect world, everything would be under warranty...
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I don't see why the performance ehancement would cause then not to warranty the entire car if it has been tested and approved by Mopar for the SRT-4. They had warranties for Supras when they came out and they have warranties for the Mustang SVT Cobra (which is much faster), so if it has been tested and approved, why won't they warranty the parts connected to the mods and the mods themselves? Are they that worried about being sued?
(i know the answer to that queston).
(i know the answer to that queston).
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Maybe its different down there, but in Canada every Mopar part has a 1yr/unlimited km's warranty. And if that part (mechanical or accessories) effects any other part(s), those part(s) will be covered as well.CJ said:
As for performance parts, they may not come with a warranty in writing, but if you are a good customer, and the terms are reasonable , I'm sure the dealer where you bought them would help you out. I am the Warranty Administrator at a Dodge Dealership here, and we have never turned anyone away that has had problems with performance parts, there is always a way to warranty every part, even if time has expired.
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I'm Sorry but it bothers me that a kid could get one of these hotrods,mod it at the dealership,knowing that it is going to improve performance,then take it out and street race it,kill himself and the two passengers and the parents could get an out of court settelment from DCX ordered by a Judge.
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I don't see any leagal issues arising from the sale of Mopar parts. That seems a bit far fetched, would be like suing Autozone cause the big block rebuilt v8 you bought from them powered the car that you wrapped around a telephone pole, etc. Kinda like suing the highschool you graduated from or something cause you didn't score high on your SAT's!
And I don't see them voiding warranties either. They are going to make a killing on these parts as it is. The only way I could see them voided is if you do it yourself, or if it gets changed from a 3/36 on that part to the 12/whatever of the mopar part. If they do void warranties however, I expect you will see alot of people going aftermarket, and Mopar losing a assload of cash in potential sales. Would I pay 10 or 20% more if a part doesn't void my warranty - hell yes! And I think Mopar is smart enough to know that, and that the extra 10,20,30% more they charge will easily cover any additional repairs they have to do under warranty, if any. Sides, I don't see them offering anything that's going to blow motors, these guys have done thier research. Mopar is a subsidiary of DCX too, and in the end I beleive any money they make from parts will easily cover any added warranty work, it makes good business sense IMO.
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And I don't see them voiding warranties either. They are going to make a killing on these parts as it is. The only way I could see them voided is if you do it yourself, or if it gets changed from a 3/36 on that part to the 12/whatever of the mopar part. If they do void warranties however, I expect you will see alot of people going aftermarket, and Mopar losing a assload of cash in potential sales. Would I pay 10 or 20% more if a part doesn't void my warranty - hell yes! And I think Mopar is smart enough to know that, and that the extra 10,20,30% more they charge will easily cover any additional repairs they have to do under warranty, if any. Sides, I don't see them offering anything that's going to blow motors, these guys have done thier research. Mopar is a subsidiary of DCX too, and in the end I beleive any money they make from parts will easily cover any added warranty work, it makes good business sense IMO.
Jon
These are some really good points both for and against. I can see how this could get complicated. The mod parts are warrantied, but the parts they effect are not. The whole thing is warrantied. Depends on the dealer. Mod it and warranty is voided. In the end I guess we just have to wait and see what DCX does. Does anyone know what Subie does for the WRX? I don't even know if they manufacture mods for the car.
Mopar and DCX will have much brisker sales if they come up with packages that are warrantied, and don't affect the current warranty. Hope they figure it out.
As for getting sued... heck, the Z06 runs 12.4 in the quarter mile, stock. Nothing precludes a teenager from buying one, other than price, and parents could have the dough.
As long as the mods don't make the car unsafe (Ex: more power than the brakes can handle), all should be well.
Of course, people can sue anyone anytime for anything.
As for getting sued... heck, the Z06 runs 12.4 in the quarter mile, stock. Nothing precludes a teenager from buying one, other than price, and parents could have the dough.
As long as the mods don't make the car unsafe (Ex: more power than the brakes can handle), all should be well.
Of course, people can sue anyone anytime for anything.
I've takin my stratus in for warrenty sevice and it's modded to hell, they replaced a drive axel with my car lowered about 4", and a exhaust manifold with a high flow cat. welded to it, they didn't care at all. For you in so. cal. Mckean dodge dosen't care what you've done. In Californa theres a law the says delears must do warrenty sevrice unless the after market part was derectly cause of the problem. And it also said the car co. must go after the after market co. unless you made something yourself. I have a print out of the law somewere, I'll look add see what # and stuff.
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am i missing something here? the upgrades are not designed to give the car a higher top speed. they make the car accelerate quicker. it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the upgrades (maybe not stage 3) will keep the electronic governor. yes, yes, i know past mopar computers removed it ok fine. but the old neons were limited to 116mph. 150 is a different story, and drag limiting would kick in pretty hard around that speed anyway.
and i think i missed something else too. what does legal issues and some dumb kid killing people have to do with the warranty? i dont think the warranty covers human lives. thats what insurance is for.
and i think i missed something else too. what does legal issues and some dumb kid killing people have to do with the warranty? i dont think the warranty covers human lives. thats what insurance is for.
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With the points made in this forum, is it safe to assume that Dealership will warranty these Mopar Upgrades? I think they would be crazy not to. But just like anything else with Dodge...We'll see.
Anyone can sue. As my girlfriend lawyer is always fond of telling me, you can sue a ham sandwich. Gun manufacturers have been sued. The claiments did not win, but the bad PR was what they were after in the first place. I'm sure DCX would not like to see thier name splashed across the front page of the New York Times as being a defendent in a lawsuit. I don't think DCX would lose in court because of other safety measurers on the car (limiter, governor, ect.) Bad PR can cost a company big time, ask Martha Stewert.
Neon ACR's and R/T's were limited to 130mph...the limit on the lower end cars (I've heard) was as much do to sucky tires as anything else. In the big picture, I wonder if a first gen neon doing 130 is THAT much different than an SRT doing 150 (from the DCX perspective). From my experience with first gen neons (owned 2 of them) I would say that the SRT is more suited to go 150 than the first gen was to go 130.Jeremy Smolik said:
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