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I'm in a big dilemma as of right now. My current mods are in my sig. and I need more power :eveilgrin So I'm deciding on going big turbo. Now I'm sure this is going to bring up different opinions but thats great. My biggest concerns are everday driveability, power, reliability, amount of tuning, and money. My options:

PTP SST - Sounds great but needs alot of tuning to put down higher dyno numbers

50 Trim - Power is great but some are pricey and need tuning

Stage 3 - Bolt on and great reliability but dynos are not that high.

So my question is which way is overall the best. I'm not saying I don't want to tune at all but I just think it would be alot better to not have to worry about changing maps and stuff on a dtec or safc if its cold outside. This could also be dangerous for my motor. The stage 3 sounds great but is a little pricey. however, no tuning is involved. Also, if i go stage 3, is there other mods that can really wake it up. I don't think i would be running high octane fuel all the time (93 octante 90% of the time). Any commments or suggestions would greatly help.
 

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get stage 3. you won't regret it. daily drivability is awesome. who cares about lower peak hp #'s? you're not racing a dyno r u? stage 3 has more power under the curve, and is way easier to live with than a 50 trim.

i have a 50 trim right now, and if i did it all over again, i'd get s3.
 

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I'm loving my fitty! And if you get it tuned right(see my sig) it's very drivable. It's not hard to switch maps on the dtech once they're programmed in. I think besides the obvious power reasons, the best thing about it is no PTB.
 

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on 93 oct the 50 trim will be faster and have more HP.

93 oct and W/I you could have 23-24psi with the 50trim and over 400hp.
 

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it would be alot better to not have to worry about changing maps and stuff on a dtec or safc if its cold outside.
Whoever told you that is what you have to do should have thier srt taken away from them. If you have a safe tune then weather conditions wont put you in any danger zone whatsoever.

The stage 3 sounds great but is a little pricey. however, no tuning is involved. Also, if i go stage 3, is there other mods that can really wake it up.

yes. TUNING it will get more power out of it. S3 comes with a predetermined map from the factory which just like S1 and S2 it errs on the side of safety, i.e rich. AGP will give you a base map also which does the same thing for the big turbo kits.
Its interesting to see the countless people who have map clamps and SAFCs etc on S1 and S2 ECUs to tune them, but when it comes to S3...the rumor is they are a perfect tune.

Im not saying one is better than the other. One has more power potential and the other still has enough to scoot while maintaining the ablility to do well at things like road course and autocross.
Im just saying that really think about the options logically instead of reading a few threads by people who read a few threads who read a few threads to get thier "information".
 

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tuning the car isnt all that hard. Just go out with someone that knows what they are doing, watch them, and have them walk you through it.

If your trying to say that your a fast stock turbo get the SST

if you dont wanna deal with tuning and want 350hp, go S3

If you want a bad ass fast car and all you have to do is tune it every so often get the 50 trim.
 

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i have the 50 trim and hate it, car is tuned very well, at 25 psi it makes awesome power, (from 5 to 6k rpm) yeah theres no ptb, to much lag for that. if it was an auto trans car the 50 would be great, theres just to much lag between shifts, you got to wait on it to hit, once your in 4th, hold on. but to laggy everywhere else. i have a smaller turbonetics turbo going on soon, it's much better to over boost a smaller turbo than lag around with a big turbo, if the motor is built and you can rev to 7500 then sure go with the big one.
 

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camlifter said:
i have the 50 trim and hate it, car is tuned very well, at 25 psi it makes awesome power, (from 5 to 6k rpm) yeah theres no ptb, to much lag for that. if it was an auto trans car the 50 would be great, theres just to much lag between shifts, you got to wait on it to hit, once your in 4th, hold on. but to laggy everywhere else. i have a smaller turbonetics turbo going on soon, it's much better to over boost a smaller turbo than lag around with a big turbo, if the motor is built and you can rev to 7500 then sure go with the big one.
Thank you this is such a great response, Our rev limits really kill the big turbos.
 

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I have a SST and a ported mani on the way....no more tuning needed than any other turbo...think about it like this, your moving more air with any new turbo (or exauhst or cams) so your going to need to match that air with more fuel....their isnt a special turbo out their that doesnt need to be tuned,even S3 needs to be tuned for optiumum performance....

If i could do it again i would go S3 mani/47lb wheel/port....prolly push 425ish on a good tune
 

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We offer all 3 for a reason.

SST for those that want more out of the stocker but dont want to deal with the big turbo tuning issues (hot outside new tune, cold outside new tune, ect ect). The SST is great for those that want more but dont want to trap 125 in the 1/4 mile. The SST has put down similar numbers TQ wise to big turbo set ups and its TQ that moves you not HP.

50 trim (if you go this route you must go DBB) well its a big turbo and that should say enough. Now the DBB comment, if you drive a non DBB unit then have the chance to drive a DBB in the same day you will go DBB. I can not say enough on the DBB units since they seem to spool much sooner and the HP feels much more stable under boost. I am biased because I love DBB set up.

Stage 3, first car into the 10's nuff said. But wait.... what about the PTP SST-STG3 upgrade? Wheel has been flowed and we are getting results that should put the stage 3 into the 400 to 440 WHP area of big turbos with a good tune and proper bolts ons. Only time will tell but the results we are getting so far show that running stock boost of 22 psi with the PTP SST-STG3 are running stage 3 out of fuel. Stage 3 should be able to support over 385 HP on stock fuel so only time will tell on this. Stage 3 alone would be great for those that want to run PNP but you will be stuck with power levels that are close to the SST with Intimidator exhaust manifold and other bolt ons. It would be a shame to have a stock looking turbo beat you times when they only have 1/2 invested into there set up.

In the long run the choice is yours but we should have everything to meet those needs.
 

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camlifter said:
i have the 50 trim and hate it, car is tuned very well, at 25 psi it makes awesome power, (from 5 to 6k rpm) yeah theres no ptb, to much lag for that. if it was an auto trans car the 50 would be great, theres just to much lag between shifts, you got to wait on it to hit, once your in 4th, hold on. but to laggy everywhere else. i have a smaller turbonetics turbo going on soon, it's much better to over boost a smaller turbo than lag around with a big turbo, if the motor is built and you can rev to 7500 then sure go with the big one.

perfect answer.....hey i see your in ohio you going to norwalk next week
 

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50 trim (if you go this route you must go DBB) well its a big turbo and that should say enough. Now the DBB comment, if you drive a non DBB unit then have the chance to drive a DBB in the same day you will go DBB. I can not say enough on the DBB units since they seem to spool much sooner and the HP feels much more stable under boost. I am biased because I love DBB set up.

Exactly. I have had both the standard and dbb versions. I can personally say that I will not go back to standard bearing now. Its like a totally different feeling and onslaught of power. Not very many have had both setups of the same turbo but the ones who have...they get it. Those who havent felt the difference question the extra cash for the dbb option. Neither is right or wrong, but going dbb is like going black.......
 

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camlifter said:
i have the 50 trim and hate it, car is tuned very well, at 25 psi it makes awesome power, (from 5 to 6k rpm) yeah theres no ptb, to much lag for that. if it was an auto trans car the 50 would be great, theres just to much lag between shifts, you got to wait on it to hit, once your in 4th, hold on. but to laggy everywhere else. i have a smaller turbonetics turbo going on soon, it's much better to over boost a smaller turbo than lag around with a big turbo, if the motor is built and you can rev to 7500 then sure go with the big one.

perfect answer.....hey i see your in ohio you going to norwalk next week
would like to go, but it's on a friday and i can't get the day off, my 50 is the nonbb with .63 a/r, maybe thats the problem, even wot shifting it lags between gears. i have a turbonetics t3/t04e 50 trim 48 a/r with ceramic bb's going in next week. i'll give a review on the difference between the two turbos after the install.
 

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camlifter said:
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camlifter said:
i have the 50 trim and hate it, car is tuned very well, at 25 psi it makes awesome power, (from 5 to 6k rpm) yeah theres no ptb, to much lag for that. if it was an auto trans car the 50 would be great, theres just to much lag between shifts, you got to wait on it to hit, once your in 4th, hold on. but to laggy everywhere else. i have a smaller turbonetics turbo going on soon, it's much better to over boost a smaller turbo than lag around with a big turbo, if the motor is built and you can rev to 7500 then sure go with the big one.

perfect answer.....hey i see your in ohio you going to norwalk next week
would like to go, but it's on a friday and i can't get the day off, my 50 is the nonbb with .63 a/r, maybe thats the problem, even wot shifting it lags between gears. i have a turbonetics t3/t04e 50 trim 48 a/r with ceramic bb's going in next week. i'll give a review on the difference between the two turbos after the install.
I have had both 50's on the car and never had that lag between shifts on either are you sure you have the bleed on your boost controler open enough??
 

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camlifter said:
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camlifter said:
i have the 50 trim and hate it, car is tuned very well, at 25 psi it makes awesome power, (from 5 to 6k rpm) yeah theres no ptb, to much lag for that. if it was an auto trans car the 50 would be great, theres just to much lag between shifts, you got to wait on it to hit, once your in 4th, hold on. but to laggy everywhere else. i have a smaller turbonetics turbo going on soon, it's much better to over boost a smaller turbo than lag around with a big turbo, if the motor is built and you can rev to 7500 then sure go with the big one.

perfect answer.....hey i see your in ohio you going to norwalk next week
would like to go, but it's on a friday and i can't get the day off, my 50 is the nonbb with .63 a/r, maybe thats the problem, even wot shifting it lags between gears. i have a turbonetics t3/t04e 50 trim 48 a/r with ceramic bb's going in next week. i'll give a review on the difference between the two turbos after the install.
I have had both 50's on the car and never had that lag between shifts on either are you sure you have the bleed on your boost controler open enough??
I agree, I played around with a buddies car thata has a Turbonetics 60-1 and doesnt lag between shifts.
 

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ImportLabSRT4 said:
Nasty_NAS said:
camlifter said:
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camlifter said:
i have the 50 trim and hate it, car is tuned very well, at 25 psi it makes awesome power, (from 5 to 6k rpm) yeah theres no ptb, to much lag for that. if it was an auto trans car the 50 would be great, theres just to much lag between shifts, you got to wait on it to hit, once your in 4th, hold on. but to laggy everywhere else. i have a smaller turbonetics turbo going on soon, it's much better to over boost a smaller turbo than lag around with a big turbo, if the motor is built and you can rev to 7500 then sure go with the big one.

perfect answer.....hey i see your in ohio you going to norwalk next week
would like to go, but it's on a friday and i can't get the day off, my 50 is the nonbb with .63 a/r, maybe thats the problem, even wot shifting it lags between gears. i have a turbonetics t3/t04e 50 trim 48 a/r with ceramic bb's going in next week. i'll give a review on the difference between the two turbos after the install.
I have had both 50's on the car and never had that lag between shifts on either are you sure you have the bleed on your boost controler open enough??
I agree, I played around with a buddies car thata has a Turbonetics 60-1 and doesnt lag between shifts.
^^U dont know what your talking about^^
 

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I've had:

Stock turbo
Stage 2 with a maxed out stock turbo
SST kit on pcm control
SST kit maxed out

50 Trim

out of what I have had and so can give a good empirical opinon on, I say 50 trim is the best.

Stage 3 I have heard many good things about but don't know first hand
 

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Stage2BlackSRT4 said:
I've had:

Stock turbo
Stage 2 with a maxed out stock turbo
SST kit on pcm control
SST kit maxed out

50 Trim

out of what I have had and so can give a good empirical opinon on, I say 50 trim is the best.

Stage 3 I have heard many good things about but don't know first hand
yea i would take a 50trim or S3 anyday.:readclose
 

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quote-I have had both 50's on the car and never had that lag between shifts on either are you sure you have the bleed on your boost controler open enough??-quote

at first i thought the bov might not be venting enough and was stalling out the turbo, had the hks ssqv, changed to a turbonetics bov, didn't help, i now have the w/g dumping so i can hear it, (damn loud now) after a shift the w/g is definitely closed and controlling the boost right. it takes about a 1/2 second for the boost to build back to full after a shift. i'm thinking it's just the way this turbo is.
if the mbc had to small of a blead that should make the w/g open to soon and cause the w/g to stutter off and on.
can you explain why you thing the blead is the problem.
 
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