The DWS is a great tire, but an all season
The ExtremeContact Sport 02's I was asking about are a summer tire & the "new" version of them
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I've had a lot of Contis, but have never heard of a "tread separation" issue though.Ironically, the PS4's are listed on the Michelin site BUT they're not listed on TireRack or DiscountTire though anyways (in 205/50/17)
But for $200 less (total), 4lbs less (each tire) and pretty much similar performance....I think I'm gonna go with the (new) Conti ExtremeContact Sports
Also the Contis have a 30k mileage warranty versus "only" 20k on the PS4's
Hey everyone. Not that I want to upset snowbrddan, but there is now an upgrade for the Continental ExtremeContact Sport, they just added a 2 to the name:
www.motortrend.com
I saw something amazing I've never seen before last week after getting back from a short run to the grocery, I took the interstate clover on ramp really aggressively, and when I got home their was a light layer of rubber along the outer edge of the actual rim on the front driver's side tire, where it appears to have pushed. So unless somehow I rubbed up against something rubber, the tire did something odd I've never seen on my car.
Review: Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02 Tires Target Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
The new high-performance summer tire is engineered to deliver more affordable, longer-lasting performance.
From reading all of the metrics, it would appear based on the performance that they stiffened the tire slightly, leading to some better dry performance, but braking and wet braking suffer ever so slightly. This would not be surprising, because the original Continental EC Sports are a forgiving soft tire but in aggressive cornering or curves, while the tire will hold the road, there's a little more roll than even on the original KDW2 tires.
I saw something amazing I've never seen before last week after getting back from a short run to the grocery, I took the interstate clover on ramp really aggressively, and when I got home their was a light layer of rubber along the outer edge of the actual rim on the front driver's side tire, where it appears to have pushed. So unless somehow I rubbed up against something rubber, the tire did something odd I've never seen on my car.
All I remember about the "old" first-gen DWS's are their squishy sidewalls and how I could get that same effect on the rim if I pushed a corner hard enough. The current-gen ones I have on the PT aren't nowhere as bad as the originals though, but still no match for the Pilot Sport AS's.Hey everyone. Not that I want to upset snowbrddan, but there is now an upgrade for the Continental ExtremeContact Sport, they just added a 2 to the name:
Review: Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02 Tires Target Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
The new high-performance summer tire is engineered to deliver more affordable, longer-lasting performance.
From reading all of the metrics, it would appear based on the performance that they stiffened the tire slightly, leading to some better dry performance, but braking and wet braking suffer ever so slightly. This would not be surprising, because the original Continental EC Sports are a forgiving soft tire but in aggressive cornering or curves, while the tire will hold the road, there's a little more roll than even on the original KDW2 tires.
I saw something amazing I've never seen before last week after getting back from a short run to the grocery, I took the interstate clover on ramp really aggressively, and when I got home their was a light layer of rubber along the outer edge of the actual rim on the front driver's side tire, where it appears to have pushed. So unless somehow I rubbed up against something rubber, the tire did something odd I've never seen on my car.
4/20/2023 - Tire Rack SRT-4 Stock Size Comparison: 205/50-17
Currently this is what Tire Rack is offering, and the user ratings for tires in the stock size for the Neon SRT4.
Take these with a grain of salt. The ratings are by no means a gospel truth. These are based on user ratings, and as such you'll see some weird statistical anomalies, such as the All Season versions of a tire outperforming the summer only performance tire from the same company. Or comfort level from a summer only tire outrating comfort on an all season tire. This is because you generally have a different type of buyer for each type of tire. Someone in the market for All Season Performance tires may rate a tire with high performance numbers, because it's better than the last set of all season tires from another manufacturer.
But if they were to drive a lower rated extreme summer performance tire, they'd realize that in actuality the all season tire isn't as good. It is somewhat of an apples to oranges comparison between the different types of tires, and it took me a bit last time I bought tires to realize what was going on. And I nearly bought an all season tire from the same company, because the ratings were better, and then realized how the scores actually worked.
Also something to remember: I limit my size to the stock tire because I'm a bit of a purist. I need to mention that there are other sizes available which open the door to a good number of other really good tires out there. Keep that in mind, and go do your own comparisons. It's also fun to read the actual user reviews, and you can narrow it down to a certain type of car. It's hard to find the SRT4 in there anymore, for instance, not a single rating for the Continental ExtremeContactSport, despite the fact that I wrote one for them. Oh well.
Along with checking other tire sizes, there are a few new non-rated tires in the stock tire size, and likely in the other sizes too, so check the sizes individually, ask questions here, ask someone who owns the tires here (if there is anyone). Better research makes better choices.
Extreme Performance Summer
Hyper-focused on extreme dry grip, but gives up wet traction, comfort and tread life to get it.
Not to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, in snow or on ice, or at high speeds in deep standing water, these specially tuned tires combine big-block tread designs with aggressive tread compounds and reinforced internal constructions to emphasize dry road response, traction, handling and high speed capabilities for serious driving enthusiasts.
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Max Performance Summer
Designed to deliver the highest combination of dry and wet traction along with reasonable ride and treadwear. Not for winter conditions.
Not intended to be driven in snow or on ice, these technologically advanced ultra low profile, high speed tires combine computer developed designs, and unique materials with precision manufacturing techniques to provide an unsurpassed blend of dry and wet traction and handling.
![Product Rectangle Font Parallel Slope]()
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Ultra High Performance All-Season
Responsive handling, very good on dry and wet roads plus adequate winter traction. Reasonable comfort and tread life.
Branded with the M+S symbol, these ultra low profile tires are designed to provide year-round traction (even in light snow) through tread designs and compounds that remain more flexible in the cold weather to help blend all-season traction with very good handling and high-speed capabilities.
![Rectangle Font Parallel Circle Pattern]()
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Ultra High Performance Summer
Focused on nimble handling on dry and wet roads with acceptable ride quality and tread life. Not for winter conditions.
Not intended to be driven in snow or on ice, these low profile tires are designed to provide responsive handling and crisp steering response in both wet and dry conditions.
![Rectangle Font Parallel Screenshot Number]()
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High Performance All Season
A nice balance of responsive handling, good year-round traction and acceptable treadlife.
Branded with the M+S symbol, these low profile tires are designed to provide year-round traction (even in light snow) through tread designs and compounds that remain flexible in the cold weather to help blend all-season traction with good handling.
![Rectangle Font Parallel Screenshot Slope]()
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Currently this is what Tire Rack is offering, and the user ratings for tires in the stock size for the Neon SRT4.
Take these with a grain of salt. The ratings are by no means a gospel truth. These are based on user ratings, and as such you'll see some weird statistical anomalies, such as the All Season versions of a tire outperforming the summer only performance tire from the same company. Or comfort level from a summer only tire outrating comfort on an all season tire. This is because you generally have a different type of buyer for each type of tire. Someone in the market for All Season Performance tires may rate a tire with high performance numbers, because it's better than the last set of all season tires from another manufacturer.
But if they were to drive a lower rated extreme summer performance tire, they'd realize that in actuality the all season tire isn't as good. It is somewhat of an apples to oranges comparison between the different types of tires, and it took me a bit last time I bought tires to realize what was going on. And I nearly bought an all season tire from the same company, because the ratings were better, and then realized how the scores actually worked.
Also something to remember: I limit my size to the stock tire because I'm a bit of a purist. I need to mention that there are other sizes available which open the door to a good number of other really good tires out there. Keep that in mind, and go do your own comparisons. It's also fun to read the actual user reviews, and you can narrow it down to a certain type of car. It's hard to find the SRT4 in there anymore, for instance, not a single rating for the Continental ExtremeContactSport, despite the fact that I wrote one for them. Oh well.
Along with checking other tire sizes, there are a few new non-rated tires in the stock tire size, and likely in the other sizes too, so check the sizes individually, ask questions here, ask someone who owns the tires here (if there is anyone). Better research makes better choices.
Extreme Performance Summer
Hyper-focused on extreme dry grip, but gives up wet traction, comfort and tread life to get it.
Not to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, in snow or on ice, or at high speeds in deep standing water, these specially tuned tires combine big-block tread designs with aggressive tread compounds and reinforced internal constructions to emphasize dry road response, traction, handling and high speed capabilities for serious driving enthusiasts.
================================
Max Performance Summer
Designed to deliver the highest combination of dry and wet traction along with reasonable ride and treadwear. Not for winter conditions.
Not intended to be driven in snow or on ice, these technologically advanced ultra low profile, high speed tires combine computer developed designs, and unique materials with precision manufacturing techniques to provide an unsurpassed blend of dry and wet traction and handling.
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Ultra High Performance All-Season
Responsive handling, very good on dry and wet roads plus adequate winter traction. Reasonable comfort and tread life.
Branded with the M+S symbol, these ultra low profile tires are designed to provide year-round traction (even in light snow) through tread designs and compounds that remain more flexible in the cold weather to help blend all-season traction with very good handling and high-speed capabilities.
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Ultra High Performance Summer
Focused on nimble handling on dry and wet roads with acceptable ride quality and tread life. Not for winter conditions.
Not intended to be driven in snow or on ice, these low profile tires are designed to provide responsive handling and crisp steering response in both wet and dry conditions.
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High Performance All Season
A nice balance of responsive handling, good year-round traction and acceptable treadlife.
Branded with the M+S symbol, these low profile tires are designed to provide year-round traction (even in light snow) through tread designs and compounds that remain flexible in the cold weather to help blend all-season traction with good handling.
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