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Hi Dale, I wanted your opinion on what is happening here, as your words seem like the last lingering thread of welcoming intellect on these forums. I am very confused about what I saw for my first time at the track last night.
So A bunch of srt's showed up at the Las Vegas Motor Speed Way. Most were just about stock, (like me) and seemed to pull mid to high 14's all night. Then there was a guy w S2 that did'nt break into 13 and finally there was a guy (annonamous) who had, S2 w/toys 100 octane on, max fab 3'' down pipe/o2/race-cat/mopar catback, denso iridiums and drag radials. According to what I read on these forums this should be a recipe for high 12's, but he only barely broke 13.9. I know what alot of you are thinking, "driver" but before you dismiss this as that, note that everyone was A competant driver with reaction time and 60 foot all averaged, say about.... 0.5 R/T and 2.3 60 ft.
I always see various people on here saying there times are 13.9 stock and some into low 13's with way less mods than 13.9 "annonamous guy"????? and some say they are into consistant 12's with what seems like same mods as "annonamous guy". I think most peoples times are exagerations, but my question is, what mods did you go with or would you go with to see consistant 12's? are they anything like "annonamous guys"?
Any feedback is very much apperciated.

Thank You, Dan.
 

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19 psi : stock said:
Hi Dale, I wanted your opinion on what is happening here, as your words seem like the last lingering thread of welcoming intellect on these forums.
First of all, I'm thinking that Dale is now wearing a size 20 hat. You really don't have to stoke his ego like that :) :hi: Hi Dale



As for the rest, the temp probably wasn't the best for putting down power (yesterday's was a 85F high in the Vegas area which doesn't cool off quickly) and the altitude of the track is 2100ft. You don't say when it was that you went, but if it was last Saturday, temps were in the mid 90's. There used to be 3 thermometers on the control tower facing the water boxes (ground level, 1 ft above ground, 10 ft above ground)...are they still there?

I worked the summer of '94 in the control tower and as the starter at that track before it ballooned into the commercial venture it is (wasn't known as 'The Strip' either). Back then I remember drivers from other Division 7 tracks complaining that they were quite a bit slower there than their home tracks (particularly the California guys).
 

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I'll take a stab at answering .....

My SRT is fairly damn modded now, and my wife drives a ZO-6 Vette with exhaust. Her car has ran 12.50 at the track consistently. She and I have raced the cars, and from a 40 mph roll in second gear I can stick right with her up to about 110 mph. However, from a stop SHE EATS ME ALIVE !!!! And I don't just mean a little bit ! This is the very reason I have made several posts complaining about the SRT's lack of traction , and the desperate need for some vendors to start concentrating on traction issues for the SRT.
2.1 to 2.3 sixty foot times are not terrible , but I would bet the MAJORITY of the SRT owners running consistent 12's are doing so on slicks , and with a LOT of tuning and practice. JMO
 

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note that everyone was A competant driver with reaction time and 60 foot all averaged, say about.... 0.5 R/T and 2.3 60 ft.
the drivers S U C K E D.
bottom line.
without S2 i ran 13.40's @ 104.5 mph. on street tires (not DR's) all i had done was 3"exhaust and IPP cai. and this was in the Florida heat in 85-90F temps.
My 60ft. times were 1.90's again, on street tires de-flated to 25psi.

That said, I'll say it again...you guys need to learn how to drive.
 

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the las vegas et and mph factor for 2100 ft is you multiply your et by 0.9757 and your speed by 1.0255 to get corrected figs.exsample et of 14.50 x 0.9757 = 14.14 and speed of 97.00 x 1.0255 =99.474

las vegas et is 14.50 corrected et is 14.14
las vegas speed is 97.00 corrected speed is 99.474
 

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JIM383 said:
the las vegas et and mph factor for 2100 ft is you multiply your et by 0.9757 and your speed by 1.0255 to get corrected figs.exsample et of 14.50 x 0.9757 = 14.14 and speed of 97.00 x 1.0255 =99.474

las vegas et is 14.50 corrected et is 14.14
las vegas speed is 97.00 corrected speed is 99.474
:werd: pleae put the formula for that here and mods should make it a sticky.
 

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JIM383 said:
the las vegas et and mph factor for 2100 ft is you multiply your et by 0.9757 and your speed by 1.0255 to get corrected figs.exsample et of 14.50 x 0.9757 = 14.14 and speed of 97.00 x 1.0255 =99.474

las vegas et is 14.50 corrected et is 14.14
las vegas speed is 97.00 corrected speed is 99.474
Are those for forced induction cars?

NHRA has different correction factors for naturally asperated and forced induction i believe....if this if for forced induction, ignore me.............
 

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A good theory

JIM383 said:
the las vegas et and mph factor for 2100 ft is you multiply your et by 0.9757 and your speed by 1.0255 to get corrected figs.exsample et of 14.50 x 0.9757 = 14.14 and speed of 97.00 x 1.0255 =99.474

las vegas et is 14.50 corrected et is 14.14
las vegas speed is 97.00 corrected speed is 99.474
You made a very good point. This makes my stock, wheel hoppy 14.89 * 0.9775 = 14.5. Not as bad as I thought, but.... why would'nt a proffesional track that generates billions of dollars a year impliment this simple know equation into there times given at the track?
I still would like to here what S2/mods dale would put together to make a 12's car?
 

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I only run 13.9-14.0 @ 100-102... no race gas and in NY, look at my mods... but i suck ass at racing, usually 2.3-2.5 60ft and .5-.8 RT...


19 psi : stock said:
You made a very good point. This makes my stock, wheel hoppy 14.89 * 0.9775 = 14.5. Not as bad as I thought, but.... why would'nt a proffesional track that generates billions of dollars a year impliment this simple know equation into there times given at the track?
I still would like to here what S2/mods dale would put together to make a 12's car?
 

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Okay... I admit it, again... I suck at drag racing.

I think you guys did pretty good, at the NHRA track at Heartand Park, Topeka, Kansas, I ran a 14.6 with S2....

In an effort to save face, I'll make the following statement... note ahead of time that the SRT-4 is pretty close to ruining my standpoint, but I'm going to stick to it anyway...

Until a car and a driver are at the point that every shift along the quartermile is an opportunity to lose traction and/or control of your vehicle, Drag Racing is not racing, it's just a game that people who don't race play with cars....

I don't have the answers to these questions, but I know Scca229 has a really interesting story about his ProStock Licensing pass... If you can convince him to share it with us, you'll agree that his form of drag racing is indeed a sport.... On topic, I think it's a Las Vegas story.... :hi:
 

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Dude i think its just that the track sucks.. I was there that night and your right the times were SLOWWWW for SRT's, but then again the only two runs from an STi that I saw were 14.2 and 14.4... so maybe its just a bad track for blown vehicles?


And the humidity was low (as usually always in vegas) and temp was probably low 70's high 60s that night, i was chilly.
 
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