[npavlo]

Installed Tein SS and ST sways.

The ST sways arnt the biggest. actually the front sizes were nearly identical.

The rear was larger though,
heres the setup :

Rear bar is set full soft, ride height is about level (maybe a little lower in the front)

front camber is at 0
rear camber is at -1.5

the rear end slides out on hard turns wildly. its really scary. I took it to an autocross and i could still get severe understeer in the slow turns, but on the fast ones, it was a 4 wheel drift. seemed like the car was balanced good there, but on high speed turns its out of control. If i run more negative camber in the front it will be worse.

what are your suggestions? I am running the stock wheels and tires (kdw) for now (wheels are on the way to run 225s)

i have a track day at NHIS this month and i dont want to die, yet.

im goign to re-align it for the track day, run somethign to the tune of probally -2.5 in the front, and -2 or -1.5 in the back.

the tein ss have the same spring rate in the back as the front, i know this is adding to my problem, perhaps i should upgrade the front spring to say at 350#?

otherwise, you tihnk if i replace all the bushings with urethane/plastic it will make a big difference?

thanks guys.

 

[OG Neon]

not certain on how to help but i am interested in hearing the results

 

[SRT4B]

seems like you know how to drive...are you loading the car up properly before entering the turns? Is is snap or gradual?

 

[npavlo]

seems like you know how to drive...are you loading the car up properly before entering the turns? Is is snap or gradual?

Hey man, thanks for the reply,
I have some decent track experiance, but the thing is i am coming out of a BMW, which is totally different.

If i load the car up, and late apex turns, its fine, because im on the gas. If i snap the steering wheel, the rear end instantly comes out. Im not worried about that, its if im maintaining speed through a turn (high speed mind you), the rear end WILL gradually start to loose grip. If i accelerate (which ultimately you do anyways) it comes right back obviously.

What im afraid of, is the way its set up i have no room for error at all. If i early apex say by chance, im goign to spin out for sure, if i have to turn the wheel more, or worse, let off the gas/brake.
The BMWs, you can do whatever y ou want. stab the brake, shift lock, whatever and you still have more control than this car.
If i cant get it to feel right, then im probally goign to unload it.

Some of the fastest FWD cars ive seen aroudn the tracks, drive like mine though. They hang the rear end out everywhere and its FAST!. i want to learn how to harness that power, but right now im just trying not to die.

 

[jigga_x]

Damn...good luck wit the race. You sound like you got some experience behind a wheel. I dont think I can offer u any help except not to get the urethane bushings. I heard that will increase your problem because it makes the car so stiff the back end swings out in every turn. The bushings are great with the stock sway bar, but not an upgraded one. It makes the car incredibly stiff...I don't know how it would react with the camber set-up the way u will be running. Try it out and see wat happens...can't hurt to try. If they don't work u can always sell them!

 

[manny z]

set up..

Installed Tein SS and ST sways.

The ST sways arnt the biggest. actually the front sizes were nearly identical.

The rear was larger though,
heres the setup :

Rear bar is set full soft, ride height is about level (maybe a little lower in the front)

front camber is at 0
rear camber is at -1.5

the rear end slides out on hard turns wildly. its really scary. I took it to an autocross and i could still get severe understeer in the slow turns, but on the fast ones, it was a 4 wheel drift. seemed like the car was balanced good there, but on high speed turns its out of control. If i run more negative camber in the front it will be worse.

what are your suggestions? I am running the stock wheels and tires (kdw) for now (wheels are on the way to run 225s)

i have a track day at NHIS this month and i dont want to die, yet.

im goign to re-align it for the track day, run somethign to the tune of probally -2.5 in the front, and -2 or -1.5 in the back.

the tein ss have the same spring rate in the back as the front, i know this is adding to my problem, perhaps i should upgrade the front spring to say at 350#?

otherwise, you tihnk if i replace all the bushings with urethane/plastic it will make a big difference?

thanks guys.

first let me ask. do the tiens come with camber slots on the them? like the mopars?
If they don't I would maybe sudjust camber plates, or makeing the top hole ovel on the struts. This way you can get some camber out of the front.
If you are able to get some camber in the front, go like 1.5-2.0, if you are going to auto X.
On the rear, since you did lower the car, it just makes the bump steer problem that this car that much worse. You have to realize, the bushings on the stock rear arms are trash. And the same goes for the rear lat link bushings. If you want to change the arms, pm me. If you want to change just the bushigs, do it. It will make a huge differance
And not to insult the guy that said that if you change the lat link bushings, it will become to stiff. I know you read this in SCC. If you dont compensate by adj your susp settings, alll the susp mods you do to a car won't mean shit. The stiffness comment is wrong.
when you change to lat link bushings, go with the camber settings you already have, and go with like 1/8" toe out. This will slow down your rear turn in just a bit. By the way, the reason your rear was comming around so fast was, with the stock lat link bushings. when you are in a turn, your outside wheel toes in like almost 1/2"!! and your inside wheel toes out like 1/2". so picture yourself in a turn, then picture the rear wheels turning towards the turn. Can we say rear steer!! good luck

 

[jigga_x]

Thanks for correcting me Manny! Good info you put out there.
Like I said, I was just passin on what I heard, never had any experience...Dats why I suggested that you try it out. I'm lost when it comes to suspension work...I only go in straight lines! LOL

Good luck wit the set-up...Let us know how it goes!

 

[npavlo]

Hey man, they are not slotted, but i did buy the camber bolt kits for the frotn and rear, so ic an adjust it.


SO i should buy one of the bushings kits. I dont even care how stiff the car rides, as long as it drives how i want it to.

first let me ask. do the tiens come with camber slots on the them? like the mopars?
If they don't I would maybe sudjust camber plates, or makeing the top hole ovel on the struts. This way you can get some camber out of the front.
If you are able to get some camber in the front, go like 1.5-2.0, if you are going to auto X.
On the rear, since you did lower the car, it just makes the bump steer problem that this car that much worse. You have to realize, the bushings on the stock rear arms are trash. And the same goes for the rear lat link bushings. If you want to change the arms, pm me. If you want to change just the bushigs, do it. It will make a huge differance
And not to insult the guy that said that if you change the lat link bushings, it will become to stiff. I know you read this in SCC. If you dont compensate by adj your susp settings, alll the susp mods you do to a car won't mean shit. The stiffness comment is wrong.
when you change to lat link bushings, go with the camber settings you already have, and go with like 1/8" toe out. This will slow down your rear turn in just a bit. By the way, the reason your rear was comming around so fast was, with the stock lat link bushings. when you are in a turn, your outside wheel toes in like almost 1/2"!! and your inside wheel toes out like 1/2". so picture yourself in a turn, then picture the rear wheels turning towards the turn. Can we say rear steer!! good luck