[RaptorRed]

Slow50H,

Glad you took this as intended, and not as a personal flame.

You are right, most of everything here is opinion, but fun to discuss.

I wasn't thinking about the yellow SRT, I'm getting a black one which should be a lot less ....noticed.

We've had a number of Subaru's in the family ( including 2 BRAT's )
and several of them had engine reliability problems in the long run.

My experience with the Neon has been in an ACR, but other familly members own Neons also.

 

[lifeisdeath]

hey now, dont you guys be badmouthing the yellow one.

 

[Terminator]

Ok I was just wondering, one of my friends has a friend who is getting the WRX, and personally I absolutely hate this kid and I would love to be able to whoop on his ass in my srt-4. For 0-60 or 0-100 times, which of the two do you guys figure would probably win, cause I've been tryin to find specs for the wrx and it's harder then the srt-4. thanks

 

[lifeisdeath]

0-60 in the wrx is about 5.5, 1/4 in about 14.5. depends on who is testing it.

srt-4 0-60 in 5.6 and 1/4 in 13.99 at about 102 i think it was.

 

[mott]

take a look at this jump

 

[dsm4g63]

Some of you guys are going to be kicking your self in the ass once you start modding the new srt4 neon.
The reason is going to be lack of traction.
With an awd car you might spin all 4 wheels in first gear, and maybe even in second if you have enough torque.
But in a fwd turbo car forget about it, a friend has a fwd talon and he spins the front tires through the first 4 gears, and can even chirp 5th gear :shock:
Sounds like fun for some of you, but its downright scary when your zooming down the highway spinning the front tires.

All in all im glad that turbo's are making a comeback now, those pesky honda ricers are going down

 

[mott]

yeah im looking to get a wrx

i look forward to 4 wheeling with my GF and friends.

 

[Exhaust Depot]

I must say that the WRX is a fun car to drive and it spools up pretty nice. With just one of my downpipes and an aem intake, the WRX hit full boost about 200 RPMS sooner.

The engine can handle the power but the US spec 5 speed can't. The trannys syncros (1 and 3rd gear) can't take to much abuse. My buddies are already having tranny problems and there cars are mildly upgraded. The wrx owners are wanting a recall on the tranny but SUbaru states taht the tranny has no problems for the OEM HP. What is silly though is that when they first came out, Subaru was issueing free SCCA memberships with yoru purchase, yet they dont want you to off road it. The Outback is actually better for off roading than the WRX per the factory brosures I read. They said that the outback was ment for off road where as teh wrx was a mild off road vehicle.


The STI has a 6speed and i hear its a very good tranny. I installed a blitz front mount on a wrx and a bracket did not bolt up to the US tranny because it was not a 6 speed.



I have heard of horror stories of chrystler trannys taking a dump. I have worked with a few people who have had there trannies swapped out at teh dealer more then once on mini-vans with low milage. The great thing about the SRT is that it has a Getrac tranny which is German made. My supra has a 6sped Getrac tranny and so does the c 5 vett so im pretty sure we will be seeing a pretty solid tranny.

 

[Exhaust Depot]

OH yeah, my buddy has the basic mods on his wrx like an uppipe downpipe and catback and his ET was pretty good but his traps where only 98mph. Stock srt is at about 101 from what i read at motortrend.

From a stock vs stock stand point, I think the WRX will own the SRT and it will have to play catch up. From 2gear and up I think the Neon will own the WRX.

Personaly I would go with the SRT because its more affordable, you have better warrenty from Chrystler, parts are a whole lot cheaper and availalbe(fender bender parts) and I am sure everyone and ther e mother will start making parts for this vehicle (me ). OH, and you have to love the nice large FMIC (front mount intercooler). ON the WRX they go for 1000 and up depending on brand and you have to cut your bumper cover and the bumper frame.

 

[Slow5OH]

OH yeah, my buddy has the basic mods on his wrx like an uppipe downpipe and catback and his ET was pretty good but his traps where only 98mph. Stock srt is at about 101 from what i read at motortrend.

From a stock vs stock stand point, I think the WRX will own the SRT and it will have to play catch up. From 2gear and up I think the Neon will own the WRX.

Personaly I would go with the SRT because its more affordable, you have better warrenty from Chrystler, parts are a whole lot cheaper and availalbe(fender bender parts) and I am sure everyone and ther e mother will start making parts for this vehicle (me ). OH, and you have to love the nice large FMIC (front mount intercooler). ON the WRX they go for 1000 and up depending on brand and you have to cut your bumper cover and the bumper frame.

But, you have to remember that Subaru sold nearly 20,000 WRX's last year, thats more than 6 times the number of SRT's that will be sold next year. And thats not including the number of RS's sold(same body and chassis,different drivetrain and powerplant). So say you have 3,000 SRTs out in the market, I'll bet 2/3 of the people who own them will modify them. Of that 2000, prolly only 1,000 will seriously go all out on mods. Of that 1,000 prolly only 200 or so will actually be able to afford some of the more expensive mods. So when you look at it there's not going to be a huge aftermarket if only a couple hundred people or so can afford them. There will be a lot of teenagers owning this car because it is so cheap, and consequently they won't have a lot of money. This is prolly why Mopar is offering it's own mods.

-5OH

 

[Exhaust Depot]

I think mopar will be making there own mods because its more money in there pocket just like TRD etc do. I can see the Srt-4 being produced in larger markets once the sales go up.

I cant beleive that they sold that many scubies. I can see why though. The wrx has been overseas for some time already and many subaru fans where waiting on its coming. Also with the F/F movie that came out, every one wanted a turbo. Some for teh simple fact of hearing the BOV vent. There where no cars on the market besides the VW that came turbocharged and where affordable. I personaly like the wrx style and the way it drives, only draw back is the tranny and the slight jerk you feel when you shift.

 

[lifeisdeath]

From a stock vs stock stand point, I think the WRX will own the SRT and it will have to play catch up. From 2gear and up I think the Neon will own the WRX.

the stock srt-4 is about the same 0-60 as the wrx, and the 1/4 is a little faster than the wrx.

and the srt-4 doesnt come with a getrag tranny. that is on the pt turbo. the srt-4 comes with a brand new NVG (New Venture Gear) T-850. very heavy duty.

 

[Slow5OH]

I think mopar will be making there own mods because its more money in there pocket just like TRD etc do. I can see the Srt-4 being produced in larger markets once the sales go up.

I cant beleive that they sold that many scubies. I can see why though. The wrx has been overseas for some time already and many subaru fans where waiting on its coming. Also with the F/F movie that came out, every one wanted a turbo. Some for teh simple fact of hearing the BOV vent. There where no cars on the market besides the VW that came turbocharged and where affordable. I personaly like the wrx style and the way it drives, only draw back is the tranny and the slight jerk you feel when you shift.

Actually I think Subaru only planned on selling 12,000 in the first year, but they were selling so well they decided to just bring over some more. I guarantee you they will sell less WRX's for MY2003 than MY2002. The WRX was new, cheap, and got a lot of good press. People bought them cause it was a funky little car. Those people are getting tired of them and they have competition. Now there's cars that are cheaper and just as fast being produced(SRT4) and they'll steal some of the spot light away. The WRX will still sell reasonably well but I'd look for the sales to level off some.

-5OH

 

[mott]

when can i get [email protected][email protected]

 

[Croation]

The price for a fully loaded WRX is 36,000 no way would i pay that for that car..... >:|

 

[ebbtide]

The price for a fully loaded WRX is 36,000 no way would i pay that for that car..... >:|

Rex's are fully loaded from the factory. If you add every option (17" wheels, armrest extension, body kit, sti mufflers, short throw, etc) then you could speck one up to 30K+, but your not going to find one like that at a dealer. I was pricing one with the Subaru body kit, 16" rims, armrest extension, and the performance package (boost gauge, short throw, and aluminum shift handle) for 26K or so. But really, the car comes with A/C, power everything, 6 disk cd player, ABS from the factory, so a base WRX (at 23k) is a good deal.

As far as my choice between the WRX and the SRT,

#1 I save 3k up front, this goes towards an LSD and whatever other parts I choose to mod. 3k can buy a lot of parts.

#2 I don't want to off road my sports car. I've got a Jeep for that

#3 If I had to drive my car in the snow, the AWD would be a big benefit. But, a FWD car is fine in most on road snow driving, and this car will have enough torque to pull in 2nd if necessary. Again tho, if it's so bad out that I need AWD, i'll use the Jeep. If you don't have a Jeep, take the 3 grand you saved, and buy a used one This lets you store your SRT in the winter, saving all the salt abuse. Plus, if the snow is that bad, you'll need a Jeep to get around. AWD helps, but when the drift's are a foot high, the wrx isn't going anywhere.

#4 2.4L and 250ftp (at the wheels :shock: ) of old fashioned torque. Even though it's the wrong wheels, I love burnouts. Plus, the WRX puts about 185hp to the wheels, the SRT puts 223hp. Thats a nice jump right there.

#5 Launchs vs a WRX will be tough. An correct AWD launch will get the jump on you and you'll need to catch up. That's where the extra 40hp and the monster torque will help. Plus, a proper AWD launch abuses the drivetrain.
racing from a roll should be a no contest winner for the SRT because of the extra power.

#6 The bigger displacement engine, re-enforced internals of the transmission, clutch and engine should allow for bigger numbers when it comes to mods. Add some Slicks and race at the track (where racing should be done) and there is no reason that an SRT shouldn't spank a WRX.

#7 IMO, I like the looks of the SRT. A huge FMIC showing behind the cross hairs. Nice body kit, and a pretty hood scoop. The wing is love it or hate it, but if you don't like it, remove it or replace it. Some ricer with a SXT neon will trade, i'm sure.

Course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong

 

[lifeisdeath]

ounds like a very good opinion to me.

 

[ebbtide]

Well, that's why i'm buying one

 

[Slow5OH]

The price for a fully loaded WRX is 36,000 no way would i pay that for that car..... >:|

Rex's are fully loaded from the factory. If you add every option (17" wheels, armrest extension, body kit, sti mufflers, short throw, etc) then you could speck one up to 30K+, but your not going to find one like that at a dealer. I was pricing one with the Subaru body kit, 16" rims, armrest extension, and the performance package (boost gauge, short throw, and aluminum shift handle) for 26K or so. But really, the car comes with A/C, power everything, 6 disk cd player, ABS from the factory, so a base WRX (at 23k) is a good deal.

As far as my choice between the WRX and the SRT,

#1 I save 3k up front, this goes towards an LSD and whatever other parts I choose to mod. 3k can buy a lot of parts.

#2 I don't want to off road my sports car. I've got a Jeep for that

#3 If I had to drive my car in the snow, the AWD would be a big benefit. But, a FWD car is fine in most on road snow driving, and this car will have enough torque to pull in 2nd if necessary. Again tho, if it's so bad out that I need AWD, i'll use the Jeep. If you don't have a Jeep, take the 3 grand you saved, and buy a used one This lets you store your SRT in the winter, saving all the salt abuse. Plus, if the snow is that bad, you'll need a Jeep to get around. AWD helps, but when the drift's are a foot high, the wrx isn't going anywhere.

#4 2.4L and 250ftp (at the wheels :shock: ) of old fashioned torque. Even though it's the wrong wheels, I love burnouts. Plus, the WRX puts about 185hp to the wheels, the SRT puts 223hp. Thats a nice jump right there.

#5 Launchs vs a WRX will be tough. An correct AWD launch will get the jump on you and you'll need to catch up. That's where the extra 40hp and the monster torque will help. Plus, a proper AWD launch abuses the drivetrain.
racing from a roll should be a no contest winner for the SRT because of the extra power.

#6 The bigger displacement engine, re-enforced internals of the transmission, clutch and engine should allow for bigger numbers when it comes to mods. Add some Slicks and race at the track (where racing should be done) and there is no reason that an SRT shouldn't spank a WRX.

#7 IMO, I like the looks of the SRT. A huge FMIC showing behind the cross hairs. Nice body kit, and a pretty hood scoop. The wing is love it or hate it, but if you don't like it, remove it or replace it. Some ricer with a SXT neon will trade, i'm sure.

Course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong

WRX's aren't loaded from the factory, those are all options and they are installed at the port. Where do you guys keep getting 36 grand from??? WRX's can be had easily at 23 grand. Plus the SRT isn't putting out 223 HP at the wheels, it's putting 215 at the crank, check out the SRT website if you don't believe me. So all in all it has the same HP to the WHEELS that the WRX has, but the WRX has AWD on it's side as well. Unless you have mods, a WRX will burn you off the line.

-5OH

 

[Croation]

Burn you??
:? Well, its funny that EVERY magazine is saying "You will scare the pants off a WRX"
SUBARU ====> 1/4 mile, sec [email protected] (really dont think thats right but hey why would they post it)
SRT =======> 1/4 mile, sec 14.00