a 2nd gen eclipse with the 420a. I searched and couldn't find anything. Has it been done. I am pretty sure this would work and would be awesome for the 420a people that can't swap the 4g63.
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dthquazi
one of the hardest things to change would be the fact that the 2.4 srt motor is rear exhaust and front intake. seeing as the 420a is reversed, I think this would cause major fitment issues. But hey, you won't really know till you try
jfsrt4 said:
the srt motor is looking to be a direct fitment. It would be way cheaper to sell the car and buy a gst or gsx for the price to fab everything in it to hold the 4g63 which is mounted differently.
I was thinking this would be a cheaper alternative for these guys.
The whole exhaust/intake that was mentioned before would not be an issue at all. With most motor swaps you need a new downpipe made. Thats all that you will need for this swap. Now for clearance issues with the turbo and the firewall may be an issue but a custom motor mount for the top may fix that and be easy to make.
Also i would rather spend the money on a stock srt motor and be faster than if i spent to money on a hahn racecraft turbo kit. Money to horsepower the srt motor would be way better.
Basically this would make an srt-4 that wan't a neon or pt cruiser which both get made fun of.
I'm been looking into this for about a month now and It's possible if you do it right. First thing you would have to do is fab up the hidden 4th mount to the sub frame on the passenger side and the lower motor mount attachment point on the lower suspension frame. Using the eclipse's stock top mount will position the motor right were it needs to be but the stock crossmember going from the front to the back of the engine bay has to go. The srt stock downpipe should line up right to where the stock cat is so you should only have to fab a straight pipe to get the exhaust taken care of. The heater water lines are something I havent looked into yet so who knows.
I really don't know about the axles working with the eclipse either.
After you get through all of that and have it shoehorned in there, you have to figure out the wiring. The srt pcm and skim reader can be used if you have the original key but the pcm will not control the gauges in the eclipse and you'll have to do ALOT of wiring to get every thing else working with the pcm.
I'm hoping to get this started late summer or early fall depending on when I finish the srt.
I really don't know about the axles working with the eclipse either.
After you get through all of that and have it shoehorned in there, you have to figure out the wiring. The srt pcm and skim reader can be used if you have the original key but the pcm will not control the gauges in the eclipse and you'll have to do ALOT of wiring to get every thing else working with the pcm.
I'm hoping to get this started late summer or early fall depending on when I finish the srt.
xXxOTEPxXx said:
Your right, but it will still be one hell of a swap, like putting a 350 in a datsun 280. If he or I think we can do it and have the means to do it, why not do it? You neet to remember that the 2gnt is almost the same thing as a first gen neon as far as engine bay dimensions go. I think it would be great to look at the car knowing it's a 2gnt (black door handles=RS) and then popping the hood and seeing the srt4 injector cover sitting right there.
xXxOTEPxXx said:
a 2g nt gets made fun of becuase it doesn't have a turbo. What happens when you put an srt-4 motor in it??? it mystically isn't a 2gnt any more now is it???
By what i said about it being basically an srt4, it will have rouoghly the same dimensions, fwd and is made by crystler. That makes it closer to an srt than anything else.
I'm sorry but a 2gnt will always be a 2gnt, no matter what engine you put in it. That's why I want to do this swap. I want to be able to claim I own "a srt powered 2gnt", not an eclipse srt-4. And you are wrong, a 1st or 2nd gen neon with a srt4 swap is closer to being a srt-4 than a 2gnt.dthquazi said:
Like I said, it's doable and would/will kick azz, but it will just be a 2gnt with an engine swap.
why not somebody get a jeep wrangler Drop the SRT-4 motor in it and mate that up with a Liberty tranny. run a stand alone with custom wireing and such..
then you get a RWD SRT-4. all domestic style.
then you get a RWD SRT-4. all domestic style.
Whoo! Gonna keep an eye out for this one. I working swap would really mean something for the 2GNTs. Love'em even though they are what they are.
there will always be the small issues to overcome...
2.4s sit about 1-1.5 higher/taller than the 2.0s...hint one....clearance will be an issue
srt4s run on a 32th tooth cranktrigger setup vs the 16 of the 2.0/2.4 of pre 03'.....hint two....stand alone needed
THEN
theres the part of the oem srt turbo....i dont think you could close the hood with it installed so now we are talking the need of turbo kit that places the turbo lower or a custom manifold/dp setup......hint three....custoim turbo kit needed.
exhaust....since the turbo would be out front you'd have a couple of options. You could run the exhaust under the motor through the passage where the stock hotpipe passes under on the srt4 setup then re route the IC pipes accordingly...which would be the simplest. The other...use your imagination....hint four...i think you are starting to get it....
basically..if you really really want to do this swap you'll have to run a 3.55/3.94 neon tranny or the 3 speed auto.....hint five...shall i continue???:hi:
why!!!! i ask?
2.4s sit about 1-1.5 higher/taller than the 2.0s...hint one....clearance will be an issue
srt4s run on a 32th tooth cranktrigger setup vs the 16 of the 2.0/2.4 of pre 03'.....hint two....stand alone needed
THEN
theres the part of the oem srt turbo....i dont think you could close the hood with it installed so now we are talking the need of turbo kit that places the turbo lower or a custom manifold/dp setup......hint three....custoim turbo kit needed.
exhaust....since the turbo would be out front you'd have a couple of options. You could run the exhaust under the motor through the passage where the stock hotpipe passes under on the srt4 setup then re route the IC pipes accordingly...which would be the simplest. The other...use your imagination....hint four...i think you are starting to get it....
basically..if you really really want to do this swap you'll have to run a 3.55/3.94 neon tranny or the 3 speed auto.....hint five...shall i continue???:hi:
why!!!! i ask?
or you could easily fab a mount that moves the motor down and forward the necessary amount to make it fit.
A standalone would be great when you do the swap you would do a whole swap...including the ecu so why would it be an issue about a standalone?
When you do the swap you could install the guage cluster from the srt. It should work if you use the wiring harness components that run the cluster from the srt as well. If you plan on doing this swap you should have some knowledge of it...that will be enough to get the cluster into the eclipse.
they are all pretty easy solutions actually. Except the tranny one.
A standalone would be great when you do the swap you would do a whole swap...including the ecu so why would it be an issue about a standalone?
When you do the swap you could install the guage cluster from the srt. It should work if you use the wiring harness components that run the cluster from the srt as well. If you plan on doing this swap you should have some knowledge of it...that will be enough to get the cluster into the eclipse.
they are all pretty easy solutions actually. Except the tranny one.
#1 you would have to COMPLETELY rewire your car and use either standalone or Chryslers NGC PCM (either would be a PITA)
#2 good luck finding a tranny to fit (unless you like 5 spds of reverse)
#3 you do know that there are PLENTY of internals and turbo kits available in the aftermarket world right? Need internals and other stuff? check www.modernperformance.com if its for a neon its for the eclipse....the only difference is that the head is "mirrored" so you can use the cams....
#4 WITH new internals and boost you can produce more HP than an SRT can (both turbo output and engine strength)
#5 its a nice day dream but really not feasable....doing it to be different just means you havnt thought it through or you have too much money....
#2 good luck finding a tranny to fit (unless you like 5 spds of reverse)
#3 you do know that there are PLENTY of internals and turbo kits available in the aftermarket world right? Need internals and other stuff? check www.modernperformance.com if its for a neon its for the eclipse....the only difference is that the head is "mirrored" so you can use the cams....
#4 WITH new internals and boost you can produce more HP than an SRT can (both turbo output and engine strength)
#5 its a nice day dream but really not feasable....doing it to be different just means you havnt thought it through or you have too much money....
-Tom- said:
1. It's doable with the ngc pcm and some splicing into the original harness for things like fans and a/c.
2. Have you looked under the hood of a 2gnt? :lol: the tranny is on the drivers side JUST like the srt4 and rotates the same direction!! You could use the stock tranny but it would be easier to use the srt4's.
3. Look at the cost difference. I bought a complete swap, engine, tranny, pcm, skim reader, original keys, wiring harness, and all the other little boxes in the car for 2.5k. How much is a hahn turbo kit and the supporting mods going to cost? How much are all the internals going to run you on top of that? I think it would come out to be about the same if you do the work yourself.
4. I can't argue with that. IF you spend all that money to build that 2.0 your motor is going to be capable of more, but I bet it's going to cost more too.
5. I've been looking into this and it is feesable and it will probably cost less than having to rebuild with new internals, the turbo kit, and all the supporting mods needed.
Some people just have a very narrow vision when it comes to these things. The're going to tell you it can't be done or it will cost too much. If you think you can do it, and do it on a given budget after doing all the research, who cares about them. It's your project, not theirs. :hi:
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