Dodge SRT Forum banner

1 - 20 of 28 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
300 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 · (Edited)
Normally my write-ups are more detailed than this, but because of the complexity of the install, I didn't take pictures. Some people have said that it can be done by simply unbolting the tranny mount and jacking it up high enough to get access to the differential cover, however I could not see how it would work.

First I want to thank xmdfmk7x for several ideas, suggestions and help with some of the details :thumbsup:

For the install, you will need several special tools.

- dead blow hammer or brass drift and a hammer
- vice
- arbor press (Preferred)
- toaster over (If you don't have a press)
- dial or beam style torque wrench. Something to easily tell a difference between 20 and 30 inch pounds.
- 2-tong gear puller
- heavy duty torque wrench (able to measure 175 ft/lbs)
- axle socket (32mm if I remember correctly)
- picklefork/balljoint puller
- pitman arm puller (for pulling tie-rods)
- bearing race driver (can do without it)
- small tailpipe expander

You'll also need the usual
- Sockets
- wrenches
- impact wrench or breaker bar
- screwdrivers
- pliers
- channel locks

I recommend you get a copy of the FSM, because there are a few things that are very specific that I will probably forget. That being said, lets get started.

1. Drain your tranny fluid
2. Remove your battery
3. remove your battery tray
4. remove the nut closest to the firewall that holds the shifter cable bracket onto the tranny. You only need to remove the furthest one back.
5. Fix the steering wheel so it cannot turn. Get some string, and tie it around the driver seat adjuster bar and tie the other end around the steering wheel. Do this on the other side as well. the tension on both sides will prevent it from turning.*** It is imperative that the steering wheel cannot turn ***
6. get under the dash, and pull the pin on the steering universal joint. Then remove the pinch bolt. Separate the steering shaft from the universal joint.
7. Set the e-brake, and jack up the front end of the car as high as you can. Put some jackstands on the side of the car, behind the front wheel well.
8. Take off the tires
9. Take off the brake rotor, tie up the caliper to the coil spring.
10. Remove the axle nut by removing the cotter pin, removing the wave washer, and using an impact wrench on the axle socket. You may need to have a buddy press the brakes to keep the wheel from turning.
11. Remove the nuts on the tie-rod, then pull it off the knuckle using a proper puller. *** Do not hit the threads to knock it out of the socket ***
12. remove the ball joint pinch bolt.
13. remove both bolts holding the knuckle onto the strut.
14. Carefully (the boot tears easily) remove the steering knuckle. You'll need to carefully pull the driveshaft out of the knuckle.
15. Remove both driveshafts.
16. Remove intermediate shaft
17. remove power steering holder lines on the charge pipe
18. Remove charge pipe
19. Undo both screws holding the power steering cooler onto the crossmember.
20. remove the power steering pressure switch on the rack. unclip the O2 sensor wire from the crossmember
21. Get a jack and center it under the crossmember
22. With a permanent marker, trace where the rear crossmember bolts to the body.
23. Remove passenger side splash shield.
24. Remove the lower engine mount and pencil strut.
25. remove the 4 (very large) bolts and lower it as far as possible. Watch the universal joint, and watch the power steering lines.
26. unclip the speedo wire, then remove the extension housing from the passenger side of the tranny.
27. Take a very long zip-tie (or daisy chan several together) and feed it through the differential. Wrap it around the outside of the housing and pull it as tight as possible. This will prevent the differential from falling out, landing on your middle finger, requiring a trip to urgent care because you split a knuckle open (Don't ask :stab:)
28. Remove all of the bolts on the differential housing, there is a "hidden" one on the top right, near where the shifter cables are. Two are studs that hold the impact housing, on the bottom of the housing.
29. Remove the housing/differential.
30. Clean off the magnet in the diff part of the tranny (bottom right side)
31. Go to a clean workspace, cut the zip-tie. Remove all the gears and differential.
32. Take off the old ring gear. Best way is with a press, if you don't have one, use a brass drift or use a dead-blow hammer and pound around the circumference of the ring gear. Probably want to have a cloth for it to "fall" on when you get it clear.
33. Repeat #32 if you bought a used diff that has a ring gear on it. You can't use the ring gear from the "new" one.
34. if the bearings and races are good on both your old races and the bearings on the new diff are ok, then skip the next 2 steps.
35. If your new diff has damaged bearings, pull them off using a two-tong gear puller.
36. If you have a new diff, or you pulled off the old bearings, press on the new bearings. If you don't have a press, put the diff in a plastic bag and put in the freezer for a few hours. Then take the new bearings, and put them in your toaster over for 200*F for a few minutes. Then take the hot bearing, and put on the cold housing. You'll still need to pound it on using the old bearing and/or a piece of wood.
37. clean out the old housing, then assemble the diff making sure the slinger is the right way. lube up the new bearings and zip tie it all together.
38. Clean off the mounting surfaces on the tranny
39. Bolt it back together, cut the zip tie.
40. Take your shim and put in the passenger side, then bolt on the speedo housing.
41. Insert the tailpipe expander in the passenger side, then expand it inside where the axle shaft goes. Set the bearings by rotating it back and forth a few times.
42. Measure the turning torque. You want between 20 and 30 inch pounds in both directions. Too much torque? Use a thinner shim, and vice versa.
43. When it's all good to go, unbolt the housing using the zip-tie like before.
44. Press on your old ring gear, or use the hot/cold method using the toaster. Use your old bolts to pull the ring gear on, never going more than 70 ft/lbs. You are probably going to need to wedge the diff in a vice to hold it.
45. Remove the old bolts from the diff and bolt up the new ones, making sure you torque it correctly. Bolt it up in a star pattern so you don't crack/warp it. Do not use the old bolts.
46. for the last time :) zip tie the diff housing and apply the mopar anaerobic sealer to the mounting side of the diff cover. Bolt it all up. Apply the sealant to the speedo housing and bolt it up.
47. Add fluid to the tranny and (if you want, FM) to the tranny. I didn't though as the quaife doesn't need it.

At this point, work backwards. raise, bolt up the crossmember, reattach the charge pipe, intermediuate shaft, axles, tie rods, rotors, calipers and axle bolts. With the tires on, and the car sitting on the ground under its own weight, reattach the steering universal joint, and bolt up the pinch bolt. Insert the pin as well.

I'm sure I missed quite a few things, but this is the basics. It's quite a difficult and time-consuming install, if you can afford it, pay someone :readclose
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
803 Posts
Man i geuss i got lucky and dont have to do this... my 03 already has a LSD found this out when we rebuilt thr tranny a few months ago!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
300 Posts
Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Yeah, I agree. I'd strongly agree to either pay someone, or wait until you need a new clutch and do both at the same time. if you do that, you'll still need shims and the tailpipe expander, and the small inch/pounds torque wrench.

I don't believe I explained with the tailpipe expander is used for....Basically you stick it in the side of the tranny (driver's side -- the side without the intermediate shaft) Then you expand it so it fits snugly inside where the axle shaft goes. Then, you can put a socket on the end of the tailpipe expander and measure the turning torque. This might sound hokey, but the actual tool spec'd by the FSM is almost identical, but costs something like $90 instead of $15 :thumbsup:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
398 Posts
couple questions.. Right now I have my engine out of the car and the tranny is off the engine. Now i bought an 04 tranny without the lsd. My 05 lsd obviously already came shimmed and stuff so can i just put it in my 04 tranny like a little swap out or will i have to do all the steps mentioned? thanks guys.
btw nice write up.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
300 Posts
Discussion Starter · #7 ·
From what I heard all 04 trannies came with Quaife's, however if you're sure....

You'll still need to use the 04 ring gear, and you'll still have to shim it. You'll also need new bolts, and for what it's worth, I'd put new bearings in it too since they are included (with the bolts) in the diff install kit from mopar.

Why all the above?

1. FSM states bolts cannot be reused
2. Ring gear is "worn in" to the output shaft. Using the other could cause major problems.
3. It is very likely that the old ring gear + new bearings + new LSD are not going to be exactly the same width as the old setup, so there is a really good chance that you will need a different shim. When you look at the size differences, they are *extremely* small, yet in my case one had a turning torque of zero in/lbs and the next one up was 20, and the next one up was 28 (The one I used). Seems like a few thousandths of an inch makes a huge difference when setting it up.

You *may* be able to "plug and play" but getting at it is really a pain, so I say do it according to the FSM the first time and be done with it :thumbsup:

Hit up Jimmy at S&P for the install kit, cheaper than anybody I've seen!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
398 Posts
ok thank you couple more questions. what is the ring gear? also yeah the 04 did come with quaife but i bought the tranny without it because i already have the quaife from my 05 tranny..
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
300 Posts
Discussion Starter · #9 ·
ok thank you couple more questions. what is the ring gear? also yeah the 04 did come with quaife but i bought the tranny without it because i already have the quaife from my 05 tranny..
it mounts on the differential. The output shaft of the tranny rotates against the ring gear which rotates the diff and ultimately the axle shafts.

Ring and Pinion Gears,Ring Pinion Gears,Ring Gear and Pinion,Ring Gear Manufacturers,Ring Gears Manufacturer

In the pic on here, the "Pinion" gear that is shown is for RWD cars...Our "Pinion gear" is what's on the output shaft.

Of interest to the hardcore racers, I measured the ring gear and I believe it was 8.625" :wah?!::thumbsup::wah?!:

Way more substantial than the 7.625" the LT1/LS1 4th gen F-Body I had a few years back.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
398 Posts
ok im confused about why you need the new ring gear.. i bought a tranny without the lsd because i already had an lsd but your saying that i cant use it because the ring gear is different??
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
300 Posts
Discussion Starter · #11 · (Edited)
I don't know exactly why other than everything I have seen says you have to reuse it. I'm thinking that either the 2003's have a different grind on the ring and pinion gears, or that the gears get wore in a certain way (Like cam caps, connecting rod caps, main caps, etc...)

edit: Just learned to read :) ....

You actually want to re-use your ring gear which was already in your tranny...You don't want a new or different one. In my how-to I mentioned swapping it out because I bought a used quaife which still had the ring gear from a different tranny on it. If you buy a brand new quaife, or you get one with the ring already off it, then it's one less step for you ... just bolt your old one on the new quaife (using new bolts) and you're good to go...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
398 Posts
right i understand what your saying.. here is my situation.. I bought an srt engine and tranny.. the tranny was bad so i parted it out and kept the lsd.. then i bought a used 04 tranny that the guy took the lsd out of it... so i have no way of getting the original ring gear... i hope with 04-05 there is no difference.. i have no choice but to try it...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
398 Posts
HELP!!!!!!!!

I am currently swapping an LSD out of one tranny (cracked case) into an another tranny case.

I am having a BIG problem finding this "Small exhaust pipe exspander" I have rented the smallest one I could find 1 1/4" There is one bigger but not smaller than that. I have looked everywhere and I am told this is all that is available.

Now If I have that right one then how the hell do I fit it into that small hole that the axle cam out of? I need to have the set up asap.

Please help me out ASAP!!

-Sammie
(919) 222-1736
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
300 Posts
Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Sent you a PM, let me know if that helps.

Happy Good Friday and Easter to everyone!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,508 Posts
subscribed
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
38 Posts
does anyone know where you can get the shims? the one that was in there is at 5 inch #s ugh
thx
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
170 Posts
I want to install a lsd from an 04 tranny into my 2003 t850 tranny. here is a pic of the lsd i would like to install into my car.


Would I be missing anything?
 
1 - 20 of 28 Posts
Top