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iball said:
True on that one about the varying road surfaces.
U.S. roads were neither designed nor engineered for high speeds like the autobahns are.
Which is why none of you should be speeding at more than 100mph over there! :lol:
I hear you on that. amigo - especially in PA and NJ and NY where I usually end up doing my high speed driving. But I must say - even with the crap roads around here, at high speed, the car has never been anything but top notch stable. As surprised as I am - even my girl was comfortable in the passenger seat at 150 for a while. I will say that she admitted that she decided to stop looking at the speedo when it crossed 140.
 

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152-MPH for five minutes (before I attempted fate with the CHP on I-10), had no problems.
If you want to try it again, PM me I have friends in the Fontana PD that would probably escort you just for the hell of it.
 

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150-155mph for about 10 minutes escaping some "differences" I had with a Mercedes-load of Turks-with-knives in Frankfurt.
No problems getting away and staying away. :lol: Most German-trained drivers get "the fear" above 130mph.
Americans are usually determined enough to keep the pedal down.
Oh yeah, and my water temps were hitting about 210 with an intake temp of about 95.
Anyone know if that's normal at those speeds for that long?
NO! NO ONE BUT ME KNOWS! :rofl:
 

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just my 2 cents as an ex-audi TT owner.

Audi recalled all year 2000 models for an additional tiny spoiler right under the rear window.
try to see it for yourself how small it is...
Why did they put it?
they had deadly accidents at speeds over 100Mph. :eeeek:
the car lost ground and flipped taking the slightest turn on the Autobahn.
tests show that the rear became so light, that the down force on the back wheels was 50Lb. :wah?!: (oooops) that small addition to the back raised the downforce to about 275Lb.
I don't know how much ours pushes...but even the sheer weight of having it counts for something.
there is always an option that it was "idiot designed" and actually picks the car up, even though that is highly unlikely.

if my spelling is horrid, its because I should go to sleep now...

drive safe everyone
 

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Boossssssssst said:
just my 2 cents as an ex-audi TT owner.

Audi recalled all year 2000 models for an additional tiny spoiler right under the rear window.
try to see it for yourself how small it is...
Why did they put it?
they had deadly accidents at speeds over 100Mph. :eeeek:
the car lost ground and flipped taking the slightest turn on the Autobahn.
tests show that the rear became so light, that the down force on the back wheels was 50Lb. :wah?!: (oooops) that small addition to the back raised the downforce to about 275Lb.
I don't know how much ours pushes...but even the sheer weight of having it counts for something.
there is always an option that it was "idiot designed" and actually picks the car up, even though that is highly unlikely.

if my spelling is horrid, its because I should go to sleep now...

drive safe everyone
Obviously you never had your wing off, the sheer weight of the wing is like 10 lbs or so. Not going to do much with that weight.
 

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The rear spoiler produces two effects at the same time. It provides aero downforce generated from low pressure on the underside, as well as aero drag that creates a cantilever effect, distributing some of the weight of the car from the front to rear. Many racers mistake this effect for downforce because it will tighten a loose car by adding more weight to the rear of the car.
http://www.circletrack.com/techarticles/0304_aero/
 

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Wingless

Just to add more fuel to the fire. As the Veterans will remember the wing was an option for '03 and I think for '04. That being the case Dodge would have never let the cars out the door without a wing if it was so important.

I have removed my wing after friend who is a Boeing Engineer laughed at the design and the shape of the wing. His comment was "Dodge was trying to get the ass end even higher at top speed." I do alot of track racing were a wing would be more important. I will admit I have added a front spoiler and a rear diffusser. Going wingless has had no effect on the handling of the car, but due to this debate I re-installed my winged decklid. My track times did suffer from the wing and I didn't get any of the benefits I was looking for. My track speeds ranged from 45-140 on a turn track. I don't know how many of you race on the track, but I feel you should do what like.
 

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Just to add more fuel to the fire. As the Veterans will remember the wing was an option for '03 and I think for '04. That being the case Dodge would have never let the cars out the door without a wing if it was so important.

I have removed my wing after friend who is a Boeing Engineer laughed at the design and the shape of the wing. His comment was "Dodge was trying to get the ass end even higher at top speed." I do alot of track racing were a wing would be more important. I will admit I have added a front spoiler and a rear diffusser. Going wingless has had no effect on the handling of the car, but due to this debate I re-installed my winged decklid. My track times did suffer from the wing and I didn't get any of the benefits I was looking for. My track speeds ranged from 45-140 on a turn track. I don't know how many of you race on the track, but I feel you should do what like.
Ummm, it WASN'T an option....

Thank for bringing back a dead horse
 

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13 year bump!!!! This was the quote I was looking for:

At one point, after 2003 launch, Wolfgang said now that we've launched the hottest sport compact on earth, can we please get rid of that ugly wing ? We investigated a number of options including an EVO-style setup, but it cost way too much in tooling for a $21,000 low volume car.
Who was "Wolfgang?" marketing guy?
 

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Ok... it creates absolutely ZERO downforce.,
pop your trunklatch and go 80mph....it don't even create enough downforce to latch the dam lid....LOL

But I have been told that it CANCELS lift at high speeds..........that's belivable, right?


Discuss.
 

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You got it...almost.

https://www.srtforums.com/forums/2630794-post7.html

Based on my schooling as well as years of being a Rocket Scientist and wannabe fighter pilot, I can weigh in on this with a bit of confidence.

What would cancel lift? Answer: Some sort of downward force. Where is that force generated? Answer: The spoiler. Now this spoiler will not allow one to drive upside down in a tunnel at speed or create such down force as to allow 2 g's of lateral acceleration, but it does add a little extra down force as stated by the engineer in the above post.

My first mod was wing removal. Looks silly. I have rocked the SXT spoiler on both my cars though.
 

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I would think a Gurney flap would be more effective than the stock wing. It won't look as cool though. I've always found it amusing when individuals would add a huge wing in the back of a front wheel drive car without doing anything for the front. I would think a front splitter would be a more effective mod coupled with a Gurney flap in the rear. I know the Gurney flap typically is attached to the end of a wing. In this case fastened to the end of the trunk may help with the lift generated at the rear at speed.
 

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Thread from the dead!

I'll say it again; from my own personal experience, rear-end goes light at speeds above 100MPH without the wing. You can 100% feel the difference. Car's already front-biased. Add some lift-off oversteer....

Spoiler's there for 2 reasons. Aero, and provenance.

If you don't have one and intend on keeping the car long term... good luck trying to find one in a few years.
 

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Interesting discusion. I guess we'll never have a definitive answer. I took my wing off for visibility out the back window. I saved the wing if i ever decide to sell. The buyer may want it on there.
 

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The spoiler is actually a hoist point for transporting the vehicle via rail/sea/air.






Hopefully no one actually tries this ;)
LOL, but your comment brings back dark memories of several badly damaged/totaled SRT-4's where the OEM rear spoiler always survived.

I've still got my OEM rear spoiler but it was replaced 13 years ago with a black SXT rear spoiler.
Combined with the MOPAR 3-D tails and the famous Starkie Stripe (should have done it in satin not gloss) I think it looks a little better.

It's a pump gas (91 octane) street car so it really doesn't need a road course spoiler.

BTW I ditched the custom plate 2 years ago when voter approved California DMV renewal fees went through the roof.
 
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