Heel & Toe technique..

Just takes practice to get used to moving everything at the same time. When I do it in the SRT my foot is vertical with a 1/4 of it on the brake pedal and the other 3/4 of it on the gas pedal to blip it.

the pedals in our car are not really set up to do this very easily, if you get in any other car, 350Z, evo, STi... you will notice the pedals are very close together and they are all the same hight. our pedals suck they are far apart and the break pedal is very high.

and heel toe is not a way to make the car live longer... its actualy worse for the car, cause you ride the brakes and brake boost the car constantly, putting alot of load on the clutch.

bottom line, heel toe isent somthing you can do comfterbly in an srt the car just wasent set up for it, i dont even see the point in this with a fwd car to be honest.

Jmhm17 said:

the pedals in our car are not really set up to do this very easily, if you get in any other car, 350Z, evo, STi... you will notice the pedals are very close together and they are all the same hight. our pedals suck they are far apart and the break pedal is very high.

and heel toe is not a way to make the car live longer... its actualy worse for the car, cause you ride the brakes and brake boost the car constantly, putting alot of load on the clutch.

bottom line, heel toe isent somthing you can do comfterbly in an srt the car just wasent set up for it, i dont even see the point in this with a fwd car to be honest.

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x2...when I did a racing course at Skip Barber they told me that what they used to do with the SRT was that they put a piece of wood onto the gas pedal to even out the gas to the brake pedal. IMO its :gay: and kinda ghetto, but if you really want to practice, I guess thats the best way to do it.

the only longevity benefit would be that you are matching the revs in a downshift to where they want to stay when in gear so it doesn't have to rev back up when you release the clutch. i used to do it all the time (when i had a mtx car) and it made the ride much smoother. i'm not talking in performance driving just downshifting like normal.

doesnt someone around here make aftermarket pedals that are more even heightwise and a wider gas pedal for heel/toe? i know turboneonstore has a couple of ricey looking ones, but i'm more prone to trust someone else.

I don't know about any of you but i can barely get my foot on the gas pedal without hitting the center wall upholstry

I think the pedals are perfectly placed to heel/toe for me. You keep the ball of your foot on the brake and then roll your heel onto the gas. You do need to be on the brakes harder than normal braking to get to the gas enough, but it works pretty well for me and I do it all of the time. The tranny and clutch seem fine.

I do it all the time never smell clutch, brakes any of that good stuff..

Ball of your feet on brake with heel blipping throttle..

stowaway said:

I think the pedals are perfectly placed to heel/toe for me. You keep the ball of your foot on the brake and then roll your heel onto the gas. You do need to be on the brakes harder than normal braking to get to the gas enough, but it works pretty well for me and I do it all of the time. The tranny and clutch seem fine.

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I've tried this repeatedly but my size 13 shoes just dont cut it. I just put half my foot on the brake and roll the other half onto the gas. Works well enough for me. I've been in other rides where I was physically able to heel toe but the srt I just can't.

yeah everyone with > 10 shoe driving my car has had a problem. my shoe just gets caught up on the carpet. are you guys doing it with driving shoes?

Jmhm17 said:

the pedals in our car are not really set up to do this very easily, if you get in any other car, 350Z, evo, STi... you will notice the pedals are very close together and they are all the same hight. our pedals suck they are far apart and the break pedal is very high.

and heel toe is not a way to make the car live longer... its actualy worse for the car, cause you ride the brakes and brake boost the car constantly, putting alot of load on the clutch.

bottom line, heel toe isent somthing you can do comfterbly in an srt the car just wasent set up for it, i dont even see the point in this with a fwd car to be honest.

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If you are riding the brakes and brake boosting when you heel/toe, then you don't know what you are doing.
The only time your foot should be on the brake is when you are braking and not accelerating. You don't keep it there when you are driving, therefore you should not be riding the brakes and causing brake boost. The clutch should be pushed in when you use this technique so, again, there should be no brake boosting taking place.
Also since this technique is used for downshifting and rev matching while braking, you are actually taking load off of the clutch, not adding to it.

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Jmhm17 said:

the pedals in our car are not really set up to do this very easily, if you get in any other car, 350Z, evo, STi... you will notice the pedals are very close together and they are all the same hight. our pedals suck they are far apart and the break pedal is very high.

and heel toe is not a way to make the car live longer... its actualy worse for the car, cause you ride the brakes and brake boost the car constantly, putting alot of load on the clutch.

bottom line, heel toe isent somthing you can do comfterbly in an srt the car just wasent set up for it, i dont even see the point in this with a fwd car to be honest.

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If you are riding the brakes and brake boosting when you heel/toe, then you don't know what you are doing.
The only time your foot should be on the brake is when you are braking and not accelerating. You don't keep it there when you are driving, therefore you should not be riding the brakes and causing brake boost. The clutch should be pushed in when you use this technique so, again, there should be no brake boosting taking place.
Also since this technique is used for downshifting and rev matching while braking, you are actually taking load off of the clutch, not adding to it.

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I think by adding clutch load, its because during daily driving there is no reason to actually heel toe... may as well just brake til you stop or til you can start accelerating again, and put it back in gear then. If you are using heel toe in daily driving you would in actuality be using the clutch more than you normally would. Personally... I rev match downshift everyday but I'm willing to accept I will need a clutch at some point. But im at 60k on the stock clutch so far and she still grabs as good as I ever remember it.

"Heel-toe" is a bit awkward when you first try it, but it's easy once you get used to it.

I actually think that the SRT pedals are placed pretty well for this. When you get on the brakes hard, the brake & gas pedals are actually close to the same level; so the harder you brake, the easier it is to blip the throttle with the same foot.

I use the same technique as was mentioned above, where you keep your foot pointed up and just use the side of your foot to roll onto the gas. It helps if you wear wide shoes, and believe it or not, those rice pedal covers actually help by providing a larger pedal surface.

A quick tip for this tecnique: You shouldn't hold the gas down when you do this, but rather give it a quick, sharp "blip" as you downshift. With practice you will eventually get the revs to match.

stowaway said:

I think the pedals are perfectly placed to heel/toe for me. You keep the ball of your foot on the brake and then roll your heel onto the gas. You do need to be on the brakes harder than normal braking to get to the gas enough, but it works pretty well for me and I do it all of the time. The tranny and clutch seem fine.

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same here. i do it the same way you said.

Smooth sailin'

stowaway said:

I think the pedals are perfectly placed to heel/toe for me. You keep the ball of your foot on the brake and then roll your heel onto the gas. You do need to be on the brakes harder than normal braking to get to the gas enough, but it works pretty well for me and I do it all of the time. The tranny and clutch seem fine.

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I attempt this method as well. When executed well, the car transitions smooth going into the turn. I've tried to not do heel toe through the turns and it feels more like a digital function, kinda jerky. I've also listened to the off road guys talk about using thier left foot to ride the brake while stabbing the gas with the right to set up for a turn...JR

I rev match down shifts everyday, with my foot vertical as most others in this thread. I am only on the brakes while I am down shifting, so I am pretty sure it has actually been saving my brakes. I'm at 32,xxx now and the brakes still don't need replaced.

I don't believe it places much more, if any more wear on the clutch when executed properly. The flywheel and Input shaft will be very close in speed, so there is minimal clutch wear.

Just my .02

ya'll got some small ass feet :rofl:

well the main reason to heel toe shift is to not make it a jerky motion when engauging the clutch on a down shift so the wheels dont lock up. it was not to help any way with wear. but there are some benifits, the main isnt the clutch but the syncro's. when you rev match you are keeping the clutch and flywheel at the same speed so the syncro's dont have to work as hard or at all. if done properly then there shouldnt be any increased wear on the clutch compaired to a normal down shift. but if your main concern is to prevent wear and still want to down shift every day then double clutch and rev match is the best. when you get use to it you can do it on a road course even. it really helps when coming into a corner at well over 110+ then you have to come into a hair pin and have to skip gears.