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I'm not an expert on this stuff. Does this seem like a better alternative than water, alcohol, or methanol injection or is this really a breakthrough?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15427584/
A turbocharger is added to produce more power. The ethanol injection system with the turbocharger would give a driver more power than a conventional engine of the same size.

The higher pressures and temperatures of a turbocharged engine can lead to a problem known as knock, which occurs when the fuel and air in the engine explode prematurely, hurting performance and potentially damaging the engine.

Cohn said his group?s technology avoids that problem by injecting ethanol into the engine when knock is likely to occur. The ethanol vaporizes and cools the fuel-air mixture, keeping it from exploding until the engine is ready.
http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=1567
The Car Boys2 note that direct injection of ethanol in a turbocharged gasoline-fueled engine would boost the overall fuel octane rating to more than 130. The high octane rating allows the engine to use massive levels of turbo boost without the need for lowering the engine?s compression to reduce knock. The Ethanol Boosting Systems solution uses small quantities of ethanol. The MIT researchers expect that a two- to six-gallon, auxiliary, ethanol tank would last for two to four months of driving.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006...l_direct_.html
http://lfee.mit.edu/public/LFEE%202006-01%20RP.pdf
 

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$1000 for a kit!!!!sadly people would think this is cutting edge tech and would gladly buy it.
 

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Just wait a bit and they'll probably have ethanol conversion kits once alternative fuels take off.
 

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Ethanol is the fuel that all performance minded people and companies should be looking at. Made from corn, wheat, and other plant material (you know the shit we can grow in our own contry) has a very high octane rating as stated, has a high lantancy of heat and great combustion properties, and causes far less polution. I did a huge write up on it in college.

But i guess facts mean nothing when people just want cheap crappy gas to throw in there cars. We instead of making plants here in America to give people jobs we would rather kill our brothers, sons, and daughters in a war to fight over someone else's dino oil.

I think the idea is great and if it works as well as they state would be worth the money. I know a couple people are using methanol instead of gas in there nitrous injection and it has worked super well.

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pphilps said:
People do realize that ethanol sucks right? It is only 80% as efficent as dino fuel........ Water injection works very very well!
Yes but it has a higher octane than a comparable priced "dino fuel", for most motors its not needed, but high performance cars bennifit(higher compression either static or dynamic)
 

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BnB... you do realize that ethanol is more expensive to make than standard gasoline.

Also Japan just suspended their forced conversion to ethanol as it was driving corn and other grain prices up dramatically due to demand/competition.
 

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You guys do realize that the above article is not about using ethanol as a fuel. It's about using very small amounts of ethanol through direct injection to control knock at peak outputs on gasoline engines for greater power. Gasoline is still the fuel in use here. The technique is very much like water/alcohol injection systems in use right now (Aquamist, Coolingmist, Devil's Own) except is uses direct injection to administer the ethanol with greater accuracy. In this application, a little bit of ethanol goes a long way.
 

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BnB... you do realize that ethanol is more expensive to make than standard gasoline.

Also Japan just suspended their forced conversion to ethanol as it was driving corn and other grain prices up dramatically due to demand/competition.

What price are you talking about?? Price at the pump or years of military action and loss of lives? I, along with a ton of others, pay $6 a gallon for race gas without objection. If your talking about coverting all the US gasoline use to ethanol you miss read my post. I said performance minded people and auto manufacurers, not joe public with the honda fit tring to get 40mpg for as cheap as he can while complaining about paying to much for gas in the cheapest place on earth to buy gas.

And as i see it the price of corn and wheat going up is a good thing as good america farmers will be able to support there farms and expand to include the new demand. That means American jobs. There is nothing better than that. In my opinion.
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I work for a company that is involved in bioethanol. I think it's great in that it's relatively easy to convert a gas-only engine to gas/ethanol compatible. And that we won't be giving billions of dollars to Shiek Mohammed to finance terrorism again free countries and people.

But as far as w/i goes, yeah stick with methanol since it's cheaper. I was bringing up ethanol as an alternative fuel just for fun.
 

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You guys are completely off topic. This thread is not about using ethanol as fuel. It's about using ethanol to increase boost in gasoline engines.
 

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gnat turner said:
You guys are completely off topic. This thread is not about using ethanol as fuel. It's about using ethanol to increase boost in gasoline engines.
give up d00d...this is srtforums...
 

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In Iowa its nearly impossible to find "straight" unleaded... Iowa passed a law 5 years ago stating all blends have to contain 10% and guess what... my 93oct with 10% ethanol gives me better power, and better miles than "straight" 93oct unleaded that i get in nebraska(not all of nebraska has 93..mostly 92)...I can drive 10 blocks from my house and be in nebraska, and buy the crap...or stay in iowa and get a 10% blend and drive longer with more power....
 
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