[orator3]

Does it really add that much hp over stock cause i just installed with and its running at 15 psi and it feels the same as it did when it was stock

Well i'll tell you what. After i replaced my Fuel pump and filter mine started boosting close to 20psi w/ minimal preload on my fm wga. Before it only boost about 15psi just like you. The car loves it. still runs 10.0 afr... Get a wide band before you go any further...make sure you have a healthy fuel system.:thumbsup:

 

[NorthNJSRT4]

Does it really add that much hp over stock cause i just installed it and its running at 15 psi and it feels the same as it did when it was stock

As long as you're running the Kinetic at 15lbs it's going to be about identical to stock power output levels.

84x for ditching S2 for a stock PCM and DSP.

 

[SHANTSRT4]

what if i turn up boost on the stage 2 with my manual boost controller ?

 

[NorthNJSRT4]

what if i turn up boost on the stage 2 with my manual boost controller ?

You'd then effect a change that would increase HP at the cost of partial throttle driveablity and the ability to launch off the line without roasting the tires. We've all used WGAs, MBCs, EBCs, map clamps and SAFCs. They all became obsolete when the DSP came out.

DSP+stock\S2\FM WGA > All

 

[SHANTSRT4]

So if im going to buy a dsp, should i sell my stage 2 ecu and keep all the other s2 parts on or should i just keep all the s2 parts on including the ecu and add on the dsp to that entire setup ? Will the stage 2 injectors, wastegate, sensors work fine with the stock ecu + dsp or should i just keep my s2 ecu and parts and add on the dsp ?

 

[NorthNJSRT4]

So if im going to buy a dsp, should i sell my stage 2 ecu and keep all the other s2 parts on or should i just keep all the s2 parts on including the ecu and add on the dsp to that entire setup ? Will the stage 2 injectors, wastegate, sensors work fine with the stock ecu + dsp or should i just keep my s2 ecu and parts and add on the dsp ?

I'd sell the PCM and get a stock '04 PCM (they're the most desirable to tune on) but I'd keep the 3bar sensors, S2 WGA, and S2 injectors. You'd simply get an inexpensive rescale tune for the DSP to continue using those parts on a stock PCM. --The parts that come with the kit are good, but the tune on the S2 PCM is garbage.

 

[SHANTSRT4]

Ill most likely use my stock 05 ecu since i already have it but where or how to i get the rescale for the dsp to use the stage 2 parts with a stock 2005 ecu ? btw thanks for the info and help i really appreciate it

 

[SHANTSRT4]

Also i was just wondering if i keep the stage 2 ecu and use the 93 tune that comes with the dsp will i see less gains than i will if i use the stock 05 ecu with the s2 parts.

Or will the gains be equal whether i use the stock ecu or the stage 2 ecu and ill just save more money using the stock ecu and seling the stage 2 ecu ?

 

[NorthNJSRT4]

Ill most likely use my stock 05 ecu since i already have it but where or how to i get the rescale for the dsp to use the stage 2 parts with a stock 2005 ecu ? btw thanks for the info and help i really appreciate it

The 05 is ok too, anything is better then a stock 03. Just send "Turbo666" a PM for details on a rescale when you're ready. Turn around time is usually hours and it'll be done right the first time. It's pretty routine stuff, many of us run 3BAR sensors on stock PCMs.

 

[NorthNJSRT4]

Also i was just wondering if i keep the stage 2 ecu and use the 93 tune that comes with the dsp will i see less gains than i will if i use the stock 05 ecu with the s2 parts.

Or will the gains be equal whether i use the stock ecu or the stage 2 ecu and ill just save more money using the stock ecu and seling the stage 2 ecu ?

The gains would be identical on a stock or S2 PCM using the 93tune. It's going to overwrite the tune currently installed in either PCM anyway and since you won't be using the S2 tune any more there's really no point in keeping the PCM. Some would argue that it won't throw no-cat codes but a $2 non-fouler mod will also stop codes from popping so it becomes moot.

 

[SHANTSRT4]

How does the rescale work do i buy the dsp and he sends me something to download ?

Also can i swap out the stage 2 ecu and put in the stock ecu before i do the rescale with the dsp or do i have to wait until i get the dsp and rescale

 

[SRTACRGUY]

Quick question, not running off DSP & Stage 2 subject, but not sure about this, what if you got full Stage 2 kit with Toys, what happens with the IC Sprayer, DAB and settings, and HOM then with DSP? Will you lose toys?

I know I will need a rescale because of the 3 bar sensors, but losing toys will suck.

Now what if you get the Trinity, if i understand correct it holds up to 5 tunes? Can you create 5 or so tunes to work with different DAB settings, and HOM?

Hope didn't jack the post to bad, but thought this was perfect to post and maybe clear a few things up.

M

 

[morgantj13]

Quick question, not running off DSP & Stage 2 subject, but not sure about this, what if you got full Stage 2 kit with Toys, what happens with the IC Sprayer, DAB and settings, and HOM then with DSP? Will you lose toys?

I know I will need a rescale because of the 3 bar sensors, but losing toys will suck.

Now what if you get the Trinity, if i understand correct it holds up to 5 tunes? Can you create 5 or so tunes to work with different DAB settings, and HOM?

Hope didn't jack the post to bad, but thought this was perfect to post and maybe clear a few things up.

M

1. DAB will work, but I believe you loose HOM. However, you can just make a seperate tune on the dsp/t that would be the same as HOM. Then, just flash the pcm with your HOM diablo tune and your set. IC sprayers will still work too

2. If your using a stage 2 pcm to begin with, you wont need to get a rescale for 3 bars/stage 2 injectors

3. Trinity and Predator both hold 5 tunes, so you could have 5 different tunes of whatever you want

final thoughts:
If you want the trinity, and you understand the differences between the trinity and the predator, hit up maperformance.

I have the trinity and I love it:thumbsup:

 

[NorthNJSRT4]

How does the rescale work do i buy the dsp and he sends me something to download ?

Also can i swap out the stage 2 ecu and put in the stock ecu before i do the rescale with the dsp or do i have to wait until i get the dsp and rescale

You buy the DSP. Install the PCM that you intend to run. Marry the DSP to the PCM. Once that's done you backup the factory tune to a computer and email it to the tuner. The tuner creates the tune specificly for your PCM then emails it back to you. (Usually minutes to hours if you go with a reputable tuner) You install your mods that need a rescale like 3BAR sensors, reset the battery, install the new custom tune you were sent, set the options in the DSP how you want them (set boost level, tune AFR, check for knock, etc) then yer done.

 

[SRTACRGUY]

1. DAB will work, but I believe you loose HOM. However, you can just make a seperate tune on the dsp/t that would be the same as HOM. Then, just flash the pcm with your HOM diablo tune and your set. IC sprayers will still work too

2. If your using a stage 2 pcm to begin with, you wont need to get a rescale for 3 bars/stage 2 injectors

3. Trinity and Predator both hold 5 tunes, so you could have 5 different tunes of whatever you want

final thoughts:
If you want the trinity, and you understand the differences between the trinity and the predator, hit up maperformance.

I have the trinity and I love it:thumbsup:

So if I understand correctly, say with the Trinity, that's what I'd get, I can on DAB 0 get a tune with the lowest boost, FL here you get really bad rain, on DAB 1 get a tune with a little higher boost, on DAB 2 highest boost every day driving, and DAB 3 a tune when I have race fuel and HOM on max performance.
But now would I have to load each tune, for what I want or can I just switch from DAB 1 to DAB 2 on the dial, and that tune is ready?
Or I have to load the tune I want say DAB 2, then move the dial to DAB 2, and can I do this while driving with the Trinity?
Thanks guys for any and all replies

M

 

[NorthNJSRT4]

So if I understand correctly, say with the Trinity, that's what I'd get, I can on DAB 0 get a tune with the lowest boost, FL here you get really bad rain, on DAB 1 get a tune with a little higher boost, on DAB 2 highest boost every day driving, and DAB 3 a tune when I have race fuel and HOM on max performance.
But now would I have to load each tune, for what I want or can I just switch from DAB 1 to DAB 2 on the dial, and that tune is ready?
Or I have to load the tune I want say DAB 2, then move the dial to DAB 2, and can I do this while driving with the Trinity?
Thanks guys for any and all replies

M

With the 93tune the Toys DAB knob is a progressive increase in peak boost instead of setting 3 being for high traction tires. 0 is spring pressure only, 1 is low boost 3 is high boost. You can control what 'high boost' is but adjusting setting 1. Settings 2 and 3 are simply multipliers of setting 1.

The HOM button still works but it loads up a screwy Mopar tune if you use it.

What's being suggested is to make a seperate tune that you'll save on the DSP and load up when you want to run high octane fuel. It has nothing to do with the DAB knob. To switch tunes you would have to turn the car off for at least 60 seconds to switch tunes on either a DSP or DST. Which isn't a big deal because the tune you'd setup for race gas would likely do damage to the engine if you ran pump 93 so you'd never switch it anyway.

 

[SRTACRGUY]

With the 93tune the Toys DAB knob is a progressive increase in peak boost instead of setting 3 being for high traction tires. 0 is spring pressure only, 1 is low boost 3 is high boost. You can control what 'high boost' is but adjusting setting 1. Settings 2 and 3 are simply multipliers of setting 1.

The HOM button still works but it loads up a screwy Mopar tune if you use it.

What's being suggested is to make a seperate tune that you'll save on the DSP and load up when you want to run high octane fuel. It has nothing to do with the DAB knob. To switch tunes you would have to turn the car off for at least 60 seconds to switch tunes on either a DSP or DST. Which isn't a big deal because the tune you'd setup for race gas would likely do damage to the engine if you ran pump 93 so you'd never switch it anyway.

Got you on the DAB settings, so make a tune with race fuel in tank HOM on, so basically I'll have the 93 tune and a custom tune for HOM, won't throw no code for being catless?

Thanks for the reply NJ appreciate it

 

[SHANTSRT4]

I decided im just going to keep the stage 2 ecu in the car and run the 93 octane tune that comes with the dsp even though we dont have anything higher than 91 octane here. Is there a better tune for the dsp that the 93 tune. My mods are just going to be full stage 2 no toys + intake + cutout.

Also how to i check the afr's and knock when i have the dsp. Will i need a wideband or is the dsp all i need for now.

 

[OrangeBlastedSRT]

You will need a wideband, preferrably one that can internally datalog like an Innovative if you plan on viewing logs. The DSP can record logs in which you can select certain PIDs to record and look at (One of which being long/short term knock).

There are numerous people with only 91octane available, the guys in the DSport Workgroup are helping people tune for this all the time, there should be a sticky on it by now aranoid:

 

[NorthNJSRT4]

Got you on the DAB settings, so make a tune with race fuel in tank HOM on, so basically I'll have the 93 tune and a custom tune for HOM, won't throw no code for being catless?

Thanks for the reply NJ appreciate it

Sort of. Completely ignore the HOM button, it no longer exists. The seperate tune you'd save to the DSP would be your new HOM. You don't have to hit the button and you can't get kicked out of it.

If you start with a staged PCM it won't throw cat codes.