[hemidakota]

Yes, we can thank the lucky stars someone been looking at for us. Congrats to Bucknell; John R. (Royal Oak, MI); Musial; Marc (Leonard, MI). :thumbsup:

Steve
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Patent: 6,796,134

ABTRACT: An intercooler for a vehicle engine incorporating an exhaust gas turbocharger and an air conditioning system, the intercooler comprising: a charge air cooler loop operatively connected to cool heated, pressurized air from the turbocharger before it flows into the vehicle engine; and an air conditioning system bypass loop operatively connecting the air conditioning system to the charge air cooler loop.

(You will need the TIFF Plugin from http://www.alternatiff.com/ to view diagram of the intercooler setup.)


Ref Link: http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=06796134&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D2%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3DAND%2526d%3Dptxt%2526s1%3D'DaimlerChrysler%252BCorporation'.ASNM.%2526OS%3DAN%2F%252522DaimlerChrysler%252BCorporation%252522%2526RS%3DAN%2F%252522DaimlerChrysler%252BCorporation%252522&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=F7E80AF2B706

 

[glhs837]

So it's a take on the Ford system, only subsitute turbocharger for supercharger, right? Pardon the expression, but, cool

Marc Musial, I know I've heard that name before

So I punch it, AC compressor kicks on and runs coolant though the core before temps rise and ruin my fun.

So, is it Mopar for a toy for us? Or DCX for some future application. If so, what app, the PT GT? I thought we were done with the "honking 2.4" after 06, except for the previously mentioned applcation

 

[hemidakota]

Actually, the Ford system was taken from the SUPERCHILLER concept. It was used on a GTS Viper.

Karl back in 69 used this concept on Marine type vessels.

 

[Haggar]

Damn it.... I had kicked around a system like this several years back... I was thinking using the AC to supercool a saline solution for a water to ail intercooler.....would be nice to charge up the system then shut off just before you run down the track..

 

[glhs837]

Ah, I wasn't aware of the Viper connection. My apologies to Marc and John. But nobody has addressed my other questions
What platform/motor
Whaddya think?

 

[hemidakota]

2.4
4.0
5.9 D
6.7 D
X.X Hemi (don't ask me on which one-I ain't telling)

 

[jut]

2.4
4.0
5.9 D
6.7 D
X.X Hemi (don't ask me on which one-I ain't telling)

Which one? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :hi:

i had too dude.

 

[pauls]

I have a hard time believing the AC unit can furnish a supply of cool air that can keep up with the turbo intake? The Viper deal is useless. Any air comming in the intake overpowers any cooling effect unless your idling in traffic.

 

[ATL-SRT]

Its not constant... for instance the new lightning is a certain amount of time to charge and you get a 30 second burst (I forget the actual numbers).

 

[glhs837]

I have a hard time believing the AC unit can furnish a supply of cool air that can keep up with the turbo intake? The Viper deal is useless. Any air comming in the intake overpowers any cooling effect unless your idling in traffic.

If I remember right, it NOT cool air, but the refrigerant itself that is plumbed through the intercooler. When you go WOT, it triggers a bypass sending it through the intercooler instead of your heater core.

If it can make low temp air (what's standard for A/C output, low 40s, high 30s?) out of your dash, it should be able to drop the air temp through the intercooler.

 

[hemidakota]

For more information: http://www.superchiller.com/pages/products.html

The product was referred too as the PRE CHILLER.


Reference to the Viper: http://www.viperclub.org/news/PC1E.pdf

Old DML Forum thread information

> 9/15/00 - New PFM PreChiller PFM Products Inc., a 25 year pioneer in the
> development of marine engine inter-cooling systems, launched the
> revolutionary new, patented, PreChiller to the automotive world during
> DaimlerChrysler Corporations Dodge Viper Invitational in St. Louis,
> Missouri. The PreChiller patented system chills ambient air and disperses
> colder, denser air to the motor resulting in more horsepower. For Full Press
> Release click: PFM PreChiller Press Release or call Gary Bethurem at
> 805-388-6499.
>
> PFM Products Inc., a 25 year pioneer in the development of marine engine
> inter-cooling systems, launched the revolutionary new, patented, PreChiller
> to the automotive world during DaimlerChrysler Corporations Dodge Viper
> Invitational in St. Louis, Missouri. The PreChiller patented system chills
> ambient air and disperses colder, denser air to the motor resulting in more
> horsepower.
>
> In 1998, PFM teamed up with Viper car racer Gary Bethurem to integrate PFM's
> long history of race boat technology and Bethurem's desire to make his
> racecar go faster. After patenting the new PreChiller, PFM president John
> Pelkey and Bethurem set out to make the finest auto pre-cooler system by
> creating the ultimate challenge for themselves. They believed that if they
> could make the PreChiller work in a large engine racecar, they could adapt
> it easily to production vehicles. In St. Louis last week, two years of
> dedicated effort was rewarded when Bethurem's Viper performed with dramatic
> results. Each and every trip down the drag strip, the car ran quicker than
> any comparably equipped car. Even more impressive were the Dyno (Mustang
> Dynamometer) test results performed at Paxton Automotive this week in
> Ventura County, California using Bethurem's modified racecar and a stock
> Viper RT.
>
> So impressive were these results that Bethurem was invited to show the
> PreChiller to Hot Rod magazine, sr. editor, Ro McGonegal and publisher, Brad
> Gerber, who will review the PreChiller in Hot Rod's upcoming issue. Says
> Bethurem, "If we can show this kind of radical difference in horsepower in a
> large engine race car, just think of what the PreChiller will do for the
> family vehicle whether it's a car, truck, SUV or RV". Pelkey adds, "in an
> era of record gas prices the PreChiller will improve any vehicles engine
> performance dramatically by adding colder and denser air", and "in fact the
> PreChiller should reduce air polluting emissions which are so damaging to
> our environment."
>
> PFM plans to launch the PreChiller through the Viper car community so that
> it can take advantage of existing molds and because current demand is
> substantially higher than the availability. PFM manufacturing manager, Ryan
> Pelkey says the company is ramping up for production on availability and
> other models but suggests that it won't happen overnight as the company
> wishes "to continue on its path of perfection, not mass production".
>
> PFM also manufactures the SuperChiller, Gorilla Kit and Total Control System
> and is located at 12155 Magnolia No. 6, E. Riverside, CA 92503. Click this
> to view PreChiller 9/4/00 Full Press Release and click this to view
> HorsePower Curve Test Results in PDF format.
>
> For additional information including copies of official Dyno Test Results
> call Gary Bethurem at 805-388-6499, Fax to 805-388-6447, visit our website
> at: www.pfmproducts.com or e-mail: [email protected].
>
> The results of the Dyno were as follows (see the test attached);
>
> Viper Modified Version: (SVSI headers, 70mm throttle bodies, 1.7 ratio
> rocker arms, Borla header back exhaust)
> 1st pass with open throttle bodies;
> A/C (PreChiller) OFF: Rear Wheel Horsepower 477.9
> 2nd pass with open throttle bodies;
> A/C (PreChiller) ON: Rear Wheel Horsepower 511.6
>
>
> Viper RT Stock Version
> 1st pass with open throttle bodies;
> A/C (PreChiller) OFF: Rear Wheel Horsepower 377.2
> 2nd pass with open throttle bodies;
> A/C (PreChiller) ON: Rear Wheel Horsepower 432.1
>
>
> Test day information -
> Time tested (approx.)10 am - 1 pm
> Ambient temperature 881/4
> Relative humidity (approx.) 80%
> Temperature after PreChiller 551/4
>
> At the Pomona Raceway in California, 11.05 @ 128.6 was run with the
> PreChiller. For more information or copies of official Dyno Test Result
> sheets, contact G. Bethurem at (805) 388-6499.
>
> Mustang Dynamometer
> Vehicle Test Results
> Date/Time Printed: 8/31/2000 9:42:24 AM
>
> PAXTON AUTOMOTIVE CORP
> Phone: (805) 604-1336 / Fax (805) 604-1337
> 2146 Eastman Ave.
> Oxnard, Ca 93030

 

[mdhavi18]

I have a hard time believing the AC unit can furnish a supply of cool air that can keep up with the turbo intake? The Viper deal is useless. Any air comming in the intake overpowers any cooling effect unless your idling in traffic.

the AC isn't blowing it's cold air directly into the intake if that's what your thinking. It would just be cooling off the intercooler which cools the air that is normally sucked in by the turbo.

 

[glhs837]

prechiller = a small condenser in the intake, not quite what we are talking about, I THINK, but not sure