what to buy diablo, safc2, dtec

[redstg2srt4]

i am not sure what to buy next. but i know i am going to need it soon. i have a wideband but haven't had time to install it yet so i am not sure how bad my A/F ratios are.

current mods.
Stage 2 no toys
custom 3 in turbo back exhaust (no cat)
agp FMIC
injen intake
dual stage boost controller
return line w bottle neck fix and walboro 255
fuel pump rewire

[just-a-neon]

the diablo will yield the best results for the money

[lyncoo]

get a dsp and ptp has a group buy on them right now

[lyncoo]

hell get a dsp and sell you s2

[redstg2srt4]

Quote: Originally Posted by lyncoo

hell get a dsp and sell you s2

na cause if i don't like the tuner piece i get, it is always nice to have a back up.

[redstg2srt4]

Quote: Originally Posted by just-a-neon

the diablo will yield the best results for the money

new diablo = 375
safc2 used w tach driver = 240 or less.

diablo is easier to hook up, but which one is easier to tune A/F with?

[duster360]

Quote: Originally Posted by redstg2srt4

new diablo = 375
safc2 used w tach driver = 240 or less.

diablo is easier to hook up, but which one is easier to tune A/F with?

DSP is easier + adjust fans, rev limit, boost(the right way), turn off CEL and you get kick ass Datalogger that will make it 456% easier to tune.

The DSP turns any PCM into a S2,,,sell it

[StixRedSRT]

Quote: Originally Posted by redstg2srt4

new diablo = 375
safc2 used w tach driver = 240 or less.

diablo is easier to hook up, but which one is easier to tune A/F with?

Here's the deal...Diablo Predator/Trinity cna do so much more than the SAFC/DTEC. I started with DTEC F/B, went to SAFCII and now have DSP. DSP has so many different parameters including:
Data Logging
Idle RPM
WOT Fuel 1k-3.8k / 4k-5k / 5k-7k
Rev Limit
WOT Spark 1k-3.8k / 4k-5k / 5k-7k
Cooling Fan adjustment
Speed limit
Boost Control
Read/Write time is approx 60 seconds
Clear codes supported
Multiple custom tunes.


The SAFC/DTEC can basically only pull/add fuel, and unless you pay the extra $400 (I think) for the fuel box you cant datalog AFRs with the DTEC...you cant datalog at all with the SAFC. However, you cannot tune a Diablosport device by yourself, you have to get a tune from someone with CMR (Chipset Master Revolution) which is the software used for Diablo. You can add/pull fuel in certain increments and do a few other small changes by yourself, but the master tune has to be done with CMR. But the Diablo doesnt "trick" the computer into seeing lower boost or hide other things to enable you to tune. Thats basically what the SAFC does. The DSP/T actually remaps your PCM to however you desire. The Diablosport ATrinity is a little more expensive but does everything the DSP does only with a color/touch screen about the size of a GPS...and you can view multiple guages in realtime so no need for a Scanguage.
The only issue I have with Diablo is that you cannot tune "on the fly" like you can with SAFC/DTEC. With the DSP once you change something you have to turn the car on and off and reload the new tune...takes about 1-2 minutes. The SAFC/DTEC changes things immediately while you are driving down the road...but thats the difference between "tricking" the computer and actually remapping it.

Hope the info helps...

[redstg2srt4]

Quote: Originally Posted by duster360

DSP is easier + adjust fans, rev limit, boost(the right way), turn off CEL and you get kick ass Datalogger that will make it 456% easier to tune.

The DSP turns any PCM into a S2,,,sell it

can it adjust fuel as well??? i have never played with one.

[redstg2srt4]

Quote: Originally Posted by StixRedSRT

Here's the deal...Diablo Predator/Trinity cna do so much more than the SAFC/DTEC. I started with DTEC F/B, went to SAFCII and now have DSP. DSP has so many different parameters including:
Data Logging
Idle RPM
WOT Fuel 1k-3.8k / 4k-5k / 5k-7k
Rev Limit
WOT Spark 1k-3.8k / 4k-5k / 5k-7k
Cooling Fan adjustment
Speed limit
Boost Control
Read/Write time is approx 60 seconds
Clear codes supported
Multiple custom tunes.


The SAFC/DTEC can basically only pull/add fuel, and unless you pay the extra $400 (I think) for the fuel box you cant datalog AFRs with the DTEC...you cant datalog at all with the SAFC. However, you cannot tune a Diablosport device by yourself, you have to get a tune from someone with CMR (Chipset Master Revolution) which is the software used for Diablo. You can add/pull fuel in certain increments and do a few other small changes by yourself, but the master tune has to be done with CMR. But the Diablo doesnt "trick" the computer into seeing lower boost or hide other things to enable you to tune. Thats basically what the SAFC does. The DSP/T actually remaps your PCM to however you desire. The Diablosport ATrinity is a little more expensive but does everything the DSP does only with a color/touch screen about the size of a GPS...and you can view multiple guages in realtime so no need for a Scanguage.
The only issue I have with Diablo is that you cannot tune "on the fly" like you can with SAFC/DTEC. With the DSP once you change something you have to turn the car on and off and reload the new tune...takes about 1-2 minutes. The SAFC/DTEC changes things immediately while you are driving down the road...but thats the difference between "tricking" the computer and actually remapping it.

Hope the info helps...

Sounds like you made my mind up for me.

[duster360]

Quote: Originally Posted by redstg2srt4

can it adjust fuel as well??? i have never played with one.

Yes thats why I said it was easier to tune(fuel) with.

With SAFC you have to raise timing when leaning A/F but with a DSP timing and fuel can be adjusted separately.

[lyncoo]

just go for it. PT-Performance.com

[NemoFoss]

We have them on sale right now... $319 plus shipping of $14

[NemoFoss]

And trinty's for 599

[StixRedSRT]

I would go with Rage over PTP...just my preference