Go Back   SRT Forums - SRT4, SRT6, SRT8, SRT10 & Dodge Forum > SRT-4 Technical Discussion > Technical Tuning & EFI/EMS Electronics
Register Home Forum Photo Gallery Active Topics (D) Chat VBay [0] Mark Forums Read

       
SRTForums.com is the premier Dodge Neon SRT-4 on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads. Please Register - It's Free!


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-03-2008, 11:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
supermancjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Member Number: 57738
Location: el paso
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 770
Default Timing Advance Q's

I'm fairly new to the srt and turbo cars in general. I bought my car the way it is and I am still learning. My question is, are my timing readings too high? I am reading timing, knock etc. with the Aeroforce Scangauge. At idle it displays 5-8 on timing advance, then as I cruise or pull a bit, it will go up to the 45-48 range. My mods are listed below

AGP 50 trim
Turbonetics Evolution WG
Mopar/Borla exhaust
Stage 1
750cc Injectors
AEM CAI
255lb walboro pump
DTEC FC
"full race" FMIC
TXS Manual HP BC
__________________
2004 Dodge Neon SRT-4
supermancjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-04-2008, 01:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
supermancjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Member Number: 57738
Location: el paso
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 770
Default

bump ttt
supermancjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2008, 02:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
mebcop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Member Number: 42028
Location: Malone,NY
Trader Rating: (11)
Posts: 753
Default

what does it read at full boost at like 5000rpms?
__________________
AGP return line, AEM SRI, AEM UEGO Wideband, VRS 3 inch Exhaust, Maxxfab 3" DP w/o cat, DW 750's, MPx FMIC , 50 Trim AGP, HKS SSQ BOV, Turbonetics evolution wastgate, OBX IC pipes, Labonte Motorsports W/M kit, SBC Stage 5 clutch, Perrin MBC, Maddog 80% STS, bottleneck fix, walbro 255, Bwoody MM, AEM 3.5bar Map Sensor, Rage-Tek Map Sensor Adapter.EMS INSTALLED: 433 WTQ ON A MUSTANG DYNO UNCORRECTED WTB:TRACTION HAHAHA
mebcop is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2008, 01:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
supermancjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Member Number: 57738
Location: el paso
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 770
Default

it reads about 48-49
supermancjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2008, 06:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
mebcop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Member Number: 42028
Location: Malone,NY
Trader Rating: (11)
Posts: 753
Default

WHAT!!! almost 50' of timing at full boost!!!!!!! Not good. What's your knock retard???
mebcop is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2008, 09:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
supermancjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Member Number: 57738
Location: el paso
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 770
Default

my knock is 8-9 counts at WOT. I figured it was high because at cruise its in the 40's also. HELP!!!! lol What things should I look at first?
supermancjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2008, 11:25 PM   #7 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
mebcop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Member Number: 42028
Location: Malone,NY
Trader Rating: (11)
Posts: 753
Default

Cruising that high is just fine.... it's when the engine is under load that it's very dangerous. I am running 27' of timing advance with a 50 trim at 25psi WITH WATER METH. I've seen knock at 29' of timing with that setup..... I couldn't imagine 50' of timing!!!!!!!!! The reason you're running so much timing is because you're hiding too much boost from your pcm. It thinks your only running like say 5psi of boost when you're actually running a lot more than that. That is why I ended up going with EMS. Tuning with the piggy back, you reach a point where you are only allowed to show the pcm say 15psi before it pulls timing, but you want to run say 23, so hiding 8 psi of boost causes WAYYYYY too much timing. I guess with the AFC, the trick is to make a ton of power without having to hide that much boost..... can get tricky
mebcop is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2008, 05:01 AM   #8 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Member Number: 30696
Location: minnesota
Trader Rating: (1)
Posts: 270
Default

just get your Fuel pressure so that at redline, you are pulling very little fuel out..
from 5k to 5.5 im only pulling 6% out, then at 5.5 to 6.2 im only pulling 3 - 1 % out. helps the timing not get to ramped up :-D
__________________
amdguy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2008, 06:03 AM   #9 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
supermancjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Member Number: 57738
Location: el paso
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 770
Default

^thanks guys, any more advice from anyone???
supermancjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 10:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
supermancjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Member Number: 57738
Location: el paso
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 770
Default

bump.
supermancjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 11:02 AM   #11 (permalink)
User Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Member Number: 64760
Location: San Fran, CA
Trader Rating: (18)
Posts: 4,597
Default

there's no way you have 50* of timing at WOT.
91PumpKing. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 11:08 AM   #12 (permalink)
Premium Member (Lifetime)
 
Philth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Member Number: 46647
Location: Las Vegas
Trader Rating: (24)
Posts: 4,093
Lifetime Premium Member
Default

^ x2 if you did......your engine would be "knock knock knockin on heavens dooooor" literally
Philth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 11:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
User Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Member Number: 64760
Location: San Fran, CA
Trader Rating: (18)
Posts: 4,597
Default

^^^ nice song selection.
91PumpKing. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 02:24 PM   #14 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
supermancjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Member Number: 57738
Location: el paso
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 770
Default

from what i remember, it is, i'll go do a pull in a bit and let you know. as for knock, it is knocking that is my problem also. This is being read from the aeroforce scangauge
supermancjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 09:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
SRTforums Member
 
supermancjl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Member Number: 57738
Location: el paso
Trader Rating: (4)
Posts: 770
Default

I stand corrected I got my numbers mixed up, I was reading 50* of timing when I was cruising at about 80-85 mph on the highway, is that normal? I did a couple of quick pulls and at WOT it was in the 30's, again is that too high? I read about 6-9 counts of knock at WOT
supermancjl is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Register Home Forum Photo Gallery Active Topics (D) Chat VBay [0] Mark Forums Read
  SRT Forums - SRT4, SRT6, SRT8, SRT10 & Dodge Forum > SRT-4 Technical Discussion > Technical Tuning & EFI/EMS Electronics




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Google Links

» Wheel & Tire Center

Sponsors

» Auto Resources
Get Dodge reviews on Dodge trucks and cars such as a Dodge Charger and others. Find new Dodge cars at local new Dodge Dealer.
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:49 PM.

(C) SRTforums.com
  • AutoForums.com
  • Truck
  • European
  • Import
  • Domestic
  • Manufacturer

AutoForums.com is the premier network of enthusiast-owned enthusiast-operated automotive communities.
We operate more than 100 automotive forums where our users consult peers for shopping information and advice, and share experiences and opinions as a community.

Visit AutoForums.com today.

For advertising information, please visit our AutoForums.com website and Contact Us, or send an email message to sales@autoforums.com.

Page generated in 0.22292 seconds with 13 queries

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0