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View Poll Results: What is the more popular setup? NDE or N2MB? OR some sort of hybrid between the two?
NDE TCS 4 15.38%
N2MB Boxes 17 65.38%
A hybrid between the two (using both companies products) 5 19.23%
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Old 09-16-2009, 05:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by nemiro View Post
Actually, anti-lag is a user triggered retard. What that will do is cause boost to come up - essentially spooling the turbo. This is VERY useful for road racing, autoX and rallying. If you are about to lift in a corner, or need to brake quickly, and be back on the throttle, you lose momentum badly in a turbo car. Pressing, and holding a button for a few seconds during the 'setup' for a passing or exiting maneuver will keep the turbo spooled. Then you release the button, and boost is already there, making the car more responsive, and you faster on the track.

For drag racing, this feature is already there on the line, in the form of a 2 step. Our 2 step rev limiter does not merely cut the ignition off, like most 2 steps do. It retards the timing (stage 1), and then cuts the ignition altogether (stage 2) if the engine powers through the retard (which it will). This puts heat in the exhaust, and spools the turbo. When you dump the clutch, the traction control ensures that all the power gets to the ground.

I've heard a lot of people saying that you need to watch your EGTs so how hot is too hot for a stock setup?
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Old 09-16-2009, 05:23 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Depends on what you are doing. for maximum output? That number will vary (I like 1550°). For highest temp until you break something? Well, that is a very different number, and not what people expect. On a stock turbo, stock car, expect to see measured numbers pushing 1800° at the exhaust port. Slightly cooler on a S3 setup. So what is too hot? I about guarantee you are not seeing 1800° on the line with a 2 step.
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Old 09-16-2009, 11:44 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by nemiro View Post
Actually, anti-lag is a user triggered retard. What that will do is cause boost to come up - essentially spooling the turbo. This is VERY useful for road racing, autoX and rallying. If you are about to lift in a corner, or need to brake quickly, and be back on the throttle, you lose momentum badly in a turbo car. Pressing, and holding a button for a few seconds during the 'setup' for a passing or exiting maneuver will keep the turbo spooled. Then you release the button, and boost is already there, making the car more responsive, and you faster on the track.

For drag racing, this feature is already there on the line, in the form of a 2 step. Our 2 step rev limiter does not merely cut the ignition off, like most 2 steps do. It retards the timing (stage 1), and then cuts the ignition altogether (stage 2) if the engine powers through the retard (which it will). This puts heat in the exhaust, and spools the turbo. When you dump the clutch, the traction control ensures that all the power gets to the ground.

your two step is technically an antilag system then. i suspected that already when my friend was sitting on his tcs "two step" and it backfired so loud out the exhaust. integrating the button idea is pretty cool. the antilag setup on my eagle talon allows me to configure the amount of retard, what rpm the ignition is cut at and how many percent of fuel i would like to add (if any). all that being said, i have a tcs sitting in my garage ready to install. i know it is an older one because i bought it from one of the guys who designed it (his own personal one since he sold his srt) and it says "prototype" on it. lol. what is the turnaround time if i sent it to you for the upgraded software/hardware and what would a map switcher cost?
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Old 09-16-2009, 11:52 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Definitions do vary, but one thing is for sure, if your TCS is configured properly, you will leave the line in the boost, and you WILL get the power to the ground. No other product in this price range can guarantee that.

PM me about your box. If it is what I think, your situation may be a bit unique. I do have map switchers in stock.
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Old 09-17-2009, 12:58 AM   #35 (permalink)
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If the NDE TCS V2 is a lil cheaper than V1 & offers the anti-lag & boost control then I'll deffinitly be buying one of those instead of the Boost Box.

Basicly all of those features around $400 would be awesome.

If I get 3BAR sensors & get my PCM rescaled for them it won't affect the TCS will it?
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Expect the price of v1 to come down to that level, but v2 will not be quite that cheap.
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Quote: Originally Posted by nemiro View Post
Expect the price of v1 to come down to that level, but v2 will not be quite that cheap.

Have an idea of how much it will cost?
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Not yet, we are working on that now.
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OK, we're done working on it

NSRT-4 TCS:DriverMod System PRICE REDUCTION!!!!!!
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Old 09-18-2009, 12:25 AM   #40 (permalink)
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hmmm....
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Old 09-18-2009, 02:35 AM   #41 (permalink)
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So, what's the V2 gonna cost? Any idea yet? I like what I'm reading about the features but, is it cost effective for me?
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We have no pricing on v2 for NSRT, as it is still in development, and is quite a while away.
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I dont think anyone has asked this question yet. Does your system work with the DSP since it manipulates timing? I am leaning twards your probuct over the N2MB products since it is all integrated.
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:02 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by SRTFighter View Post
Ok, Lets see... I'm on the fence right now about which one is better,
The offerings from

N2MB

or

NDE TCS




Right now I am stock as far as power adders go, with a S2 kit in the mail. More or less the products seem the same to me as far as what the each companies products set out to accomplish.


Any input is appreciated.

I have kind of both, I hybrid I guess. The NDE TCS is ok, but the boost box, even though I don't have it at the moment is a much better idea for traction. The TCS will help but as you get higher in HP and TQ pulling timing still won't help. Still spun my tires 1st and 2nd gear. 3rd was good though with it on. Would spin 3rd if the TCS was off. The WOT box I have is the older setup without 2 step and loved/love it. I don't WOT shift my car at the moment since my tranny has issues. Trying to save to get it fixed.

To be honest, eventually the TCS will be coming off the car, just a lot of work to get it off and then resoder all the wires for the coil pack. I would go with the N2MB boxes instead. I would like to get the boost box eventually too.


I voted N2MB Boxes for ya.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:50 AM   #45 (permalink)
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boost box, wot box are worth their weight in gold!
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