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View Poll Results: What is the more popular setup? NDE or N2MB? OR some sort of hybrid between the two?
NDE TCS 4 15.38%
N2MB Boxes 17 65.38%
A hybrid between the two (using both companies products) 5 19.23%
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:07 AM   #16 (permalink)
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well my car isnt running right now, but i've had the TCS for quite some time and just ordered an n2mb boost box the other day so i'll be running both on my big turbo nsrt4. i'll try to remember to report back
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:54 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by gump1114 View Post
well my car isnt running right now, but i've had the TCS for quite some time and just ordered an n2mb boost box the other day so i'll be running both on my big turbo nsrt4. i'll try to remember to report back

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Old 09-13-2009, 08:20 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by morgantj13 View Post
the ultimate setup

-should be fun man!

i hope so... and now with the ESS function on the tcs avaliable i should be set.

ESS= wot box... basically. iirc.
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:45 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Is the TCS all offered in one box and what is the easier of the two install.
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TCS v1 (what NSRT guys are using right now) will offer traction control and ESS. In the near future, it will have traction control and ESS OR EBC (with boost by gear). V1 also allows coil-on-lug ignition capability, eliminating the stock coil and plug wires, in favor of individual coils on each plug. Our test car has been running this setup for well over a year, with great success.

A new v2 version will be released in the next several months that will have MANY features, including traction control, ESS, EBC, progressive N2O control, retard/anti-lag, and a few other goodies.

Both v1 and v2 versions will be available, allowing the consumer to decide what level of capabilities are needed for their application!
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Quote: Originally Posted by nemiro View Post
TCS v1 (what NSRT guys are using right now) will offer traction control and ESS. In the near future, it will have traction control and ESS OR EBC (with boost by gear). V1 also allows coil-on-lug ignition capability, eliminating the stock coil and plug wires, in favor of individual coils on each plug. Our test car has been running this setup for well over a year, with great success.

A new v2 version will be released in the next several months that will have MANY features, including traction control, ESS, EBC, progressive N2O control, retard/anti-lag, and a few other goodies.

Both v1 and v2 versions will be available, allowing the consumer to decide what level of capabilities are needed for their application!

Could you elaborate more on the retard/anit-lag feature. By retard are you refering to KR? and how is the anti-lag accomplished?
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Could you elaborate more on the retard/anit-lag feature. By retard are you refering to KR? and how is the anti-lag accomplished?

it is accomplished by retarding the ignition timing a bunch basically firing the spark late enough to have combustion happen out the exhaust ports into the turbo. the rapidly expanding exhaust gasses can then allow you to make alot of boost at the line which is nice with big turbos and the proper tires/suspension setup. two step rev limits can build some boost but nowhere near as much as a proper anti-lag system. there are much more advanced systems than what i just described, i.e. wrc rally cars, but this will get the job done.
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:13 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by quicktalon11s View Post
it is accomplished by retarding the ignition timing a bunch basically firing the spark late enough to have combustion happen out the exhaust ports into the turbo. the rapidly expanding exhaust gasses can then allow you to make alot of boost at the line which is nice with big turbos and the proper tires/suspension setup. two step rev limits can build some boost but nowhere near as much as a proper anti-lag system. there are much more advanced systems than what i just described, i.e. wrc rally cars, but this will get the job done.

does the increased boost overcome the power that you loose from pulling timing?
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and how hard on the turbo is this??
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not to thread hijack, but i have a good/fair condition TCS box and harness that I dont ever use that is going to be going up for sale soon.

In no way a shot at that product, I'm just simplifying my setup and selling parts I dont use to pay some bills.

I've seen some really great times achieved by cars equipped with the TCS box.
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Quote: Originally Posted by NoisufnoC View Post
not to thread hijack, but i have a good/fair condition TCS box and harness that I dont ever use that is going to be going up for sale soon.

In no way a shot at that product, I'm just simplifying my setup and selling parts I dont use to pay some bills.

I've seen some really great times achieved by cars equipped with the TCS box.

I might be interested in it Pm me to let me know
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:51 PM   #27 (permalink)
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right now i would have to say boost box. i just ordered one myself after alot of research and they seem to have it down pat.

when the new TCS comes out, then well see.
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Quote: Originally Posted by SRTFighter View Post
does the increased boost overcome the power that you loose from pulling timing?

you misunderstand the goal and function. anti-lag retards timing only while the car is standing still at the line. once you launch the car timing returns to normal. just like the 2-step deactivates after the clutch pedal is fully released.
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Actually, anti-lag is a user triggered retard. What that will do is cause boost to come up - essentially spooling the turbo. This is VERY useful for road racing, autoX and rallying. If you are about to lift in a corner, or need to brake quickly, and be back on the throttle, you lose momentum badly in a turbo car. Pressing, and holding a button for a few seconds during the 'setup' for a passing or exiting maneuver will keep the turbo spooled. Then you release the button, and boost is already there, making the car more responsive, and you faster on the track.

For drag racing, this feature is already there on the line, in the form of a 2 step. Our 2 step rev limiter does not merely cut the ignition off, like most 2 steps do. It retards the timing (stage 1), and then cuts the ignition altogether (stage 2) if the engine powers through the retard (which it will). This puts heat in the exhaust, and spools the turbo. When you dump the clutch, the traction control ensures that all the power gets to the ground.
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you misunderstand the goal and function. anti-lag retards timing only while the car is standing still at the line. once you launch the car timing returns to normal. just like the 2-step deactivates after the clutch pedal is fully released.

oh I see now! ok thanks for clearing that up for me.
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