Right now I am stock as far as power adders go, with a S2 kit in the mail. More or less the products seem the same to me as far as what the each companies products set out to accomplish.
We They Are Not The Same Thing, Ones 2 Step And The Other Is Actuall Traction Control, So Its Up To You, The Wot Box Is The Best Thing Ive Bought For My Car And Many Other Not So Much The Tcs
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I am also interested to hear the comparison. I have the NDE TCS right now. I have to say that I love the two step for launch and the tcs really helps when you hit say a patch of sand/gravel which the boost box would not help much. However I am on a stock turbo close to 20 psi, and in 2nd it helps put the power down, but in 1st I just need alot less boost. I dont really want to think what my egt's from taking away timing would be at 20psi to get 1st to hook, so I use it to atleast give the tires a slight chance on launch.
2nd gear is money though, I have it dialed in to just take out enough power to hook nicely without much wheel spin. I would think that boost by gear, plus nde would be awesome in any situation. Dial in boost by gear for best case scenario traction (say at the track), and let the nde take care of anything else that might pop up for the street (gravel, sand, water, etc).
I personally switched from the tcs setup to the wot/2step box and boost box from
N2MB, and it's the best decision I've made with this car as far as traction goes. My car is a full bolt on dbb50 trim (422whp), and spinning in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd was getting old. With the tcs setup, it helped alot, but was never really able to cure wheel spin even when setting the tcs up very aggressive.
Once the boost box came out, I jumped on testing it on my big turbo car. After a day or 2 of figuring out vac lines and software settings (with the best customer service I've ever experienced on this site from any vendor Jay and jon from n2mb), I was dead hooking 2nd gear every pull. And the car just seems to pull harder and smoother than when I was running the tcs. Now for the price, I can't speak about the tcs because I don't know how much they go for now, but the wot/2step and boost box together are cheap ( N2MB Racing Labor Day Sale! )for what they do. Best bang for the buck mods I've ever used on any car.
Now I still have more work to do, to get this car to hook first on street tires, but that involves getting a smaller wg spring so I can lower my min boost setting. After that, It's a no brainer, because I don't think any tcs system will help you hook in 1st when running a big turbo setup.
My 2 cents.
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I personally switched from the tcs setup to the wot/2step box and boost box from
N2MB, and it's the best decision I've made with this car as far as traction goes. My car is a full bolt on dbb50 trim (422whp), and spinning in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd was getting old. With the tcs setup, it helped alot, but was never really able to cure wheel spin even when setting the tcs up very aggressive.
Once the boost box came out, I jumped on testing it on my big turbo car. After a day or 2 of figuring out vac lines and software settings (with the best customer service I've ever experienced on this site from any vendor Jay and jon from n2mb), I was dead hooking 2nd gear every pull. And the car just seems to pull harder and smoother than when I was running the tcs. Now for the price, I can't speak about the tcs because I don't know how much they go for now, but the wot/2step and boost box together are cheap ( N2MB Racing Labor Day Sale! )for what they do. Best bang for the buck mods I've ever used on any car.
Now I still have more work to do, to get this car to hook first on street tires, but that involves getting a smaller wg spring so I can lower my min boost setting. After that, It's a no brainer, because I don't think any tcs system will help you hook in 1st when running a big turbo setup.
My 2 cents.
how much boost are you seeing in second? and what are you settings at. Basically just tell me what your setup is (wga wise)
Im having a HELL of a time trying to tune my second gear, it builds perfect to 14psi then all of a sudden it spikes to 17psi and there go my tires
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i think the biggest reason people dont want the nde tcs(other than the huge price gap between the two) is that it pulls timing so you get traction...
the boost box is awesome, probly having both boost box and tcs would be the best setup lol...but ill stick with my boost box, it works really well, its easy to tune and the customer support is one of the BEST ON THE FORUMS!!!
Why not both? I have my car setup with speed based boost and the TCS. Trying to control traction with just boost doesnt sllow you to make as much power as you can running both since you always have to shoot low. I have mine setup so that the tires will still spin with the TCS turned off but they just churp with it on.
I dont remember the exact times but when I was testing my setup it was definately faster with this setup than either on its own.
II just need alot less boost. I dont really want to think what my egt's from taking away timing would be at 20psi to get 1st to hook, so I use it to atleast give the tires a slight chance on launch.
While this is an obvious concern, we have found it to not actually be the issue you might think it is. We have multiple test cars outfitted with 4 channel logging EGT setups (with exposed, quick responding probes), and we have found that the EGTs are nowhere near what would be expected. In fact, the highest EGTs happen while sitting on the 2 Step (and that would be the same no matter whose 2 Step you are using). I would surmise that the loading on the engine is just not there to make for the skyrocketing EGT you think is there.
Our ESS feature (WOT Shift) is now released, and we are currently working on EBC, which will also be boost by gear capable. No release date for EBC currently, but it is being actively worked on.
For most folks, it is an financial decision. The N2MB products are simply less expensive. However, look for the NSRT version of the TCS to go through a price reduction very soon. You will find that it is in competitive range, while offering other features.
On really high output cars ( >425 REAL WHP), then yes, the spark control alone is not enough to get traction in check. If you need it now, then a hybrid system of the Boost Box AND TCS would net you the best traction solution out there.
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N2MB WOT & Boost boxes vs. NDE TCS
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