I am about to get a wideband. I was going to get the Zeitronics so I could easily datalog. I have started having second thoughts. I mainly need it for Tuning my nitrous system, but will be getting an SAFCII to lean up my stage 2 setup. I think going with the AEM and saving the $150 would be the wiser choice. Like I said I really need it just for safety with my nitrous sytem. I can tune the SAFCII at the dyno which is the best way to do it anyways. Just cant make up my mind.
I am about to get a wideband. I was going to get the Zeitronics so I could easily datalog. I have started having second thoughts. I mainly need it for Tuning my nitrous system, but will be getting an SAFCII to lean up my stage 2 setup. I think going with the AEM and saving the $150 would be the wiser choice. Like I said I really need it just for safety with my nitrous sytem. I can tune the SAFCII at the dyno which is the best way to do it anyways. Just cant make up my mind.
Any ideas?
Hayabusa
How often do you plain on staring at a wideband gauge while your racing, controling the nitrous system, monitoring it, AND watching the road/tach?
Its just too hard to fine tune a system like that by yourself.
The Zeitronics wb is so much more than just a wideband... Its a purchase you really wont regret.
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Well thats why I was originally planning on the Zeitronics. My nitrous is completly controled by computers so I dont have to watch that, but. When I am racing I really only want to have to worry about shifting. Nothing else. I see that most people here use the AEM though. I figured that I could make a practice run just to monitor my a/f ratios. If they were right the next run I wouldnt worry about it. The reasons you bring up are why I had planned on the Zeitronics. I dont want anything else to have to worry about during the run. I am just on a very limited budget, but I dont want to skimp on safety. So you are right about that. Any other thoughts. I just dont want to have regrets after buying.
IMO, If you look closely at the Zeitronix you can see that it can be used a basic wideband. You can even get away without the LCD display.
To me the big plus is that with add on components it becomes more then just a wideband. Also, it seems to me like the Zeitronix is improving faster then the other widebands with regards to features or enhancements. For example look at the ZAVT-1 option, with this installed and some parameters configured in the unit you have a visual as well as a sound warning for a threshold that you decide. The ZAVT-1 with a relay can be integrated into your nitrous setup to make it better. All of the add ons are that add ons, you do not need them from the get go...add them later so that the intial cost is low.
Yes I have swayed back to the zeitronics. It can do so much that it is kinda stupid not to get it. I am getting the pda data logger and software and dont plan on having an in car gauge other than the PDA. I dont want something else to look at which is why the zeitronics was my first choice. I guess I was just trying to go the cheap way out. Which in the case of nitrous is a good way to make it the expensive way.
I love the Zietronix, If you get a new one it will be able to run the add on as a A/F ratio saftey switch. If you get an older one needswings has a group buy to have it flashed with the newest version.
I have mine hooked up so it shows RPM, A/F, TPS, and as of the end of the week, Boost. If I ever do any port polish or turbo manifold work, I'll invest in the egt sensor.
Heres a log of my car, stage 0, untuned
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but for the price vs features its very hard to beat. The only reason I didnt get one is I have a standalone that needs a linear A/F input. So I got a LC-1 and LMA3 to datalog boost,rpm,A/F,EGT and a couple other things
but for the price vs features its very hard to beat. The only reason I didnt get one is I have a standalone that needs a linear A/F input. So I got a LC-1 and LMA3 to datalog boost,rpm,A/F,EGT and a couple other things
SpeedEuphoria, im not understanding what your saying.
Logworks 2.0 works with ANY LC-1, LM-1, LMA,2,3,ect,,, Its a free download.
BTW What kind of pos standalone doesn't datalog?
ps Bitchin Spirit! I miss my 91 R/T
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what I was saying is standalones/datalogers(some have different voltage values they look for for a certain A/F) need a linear 0-5v input for wideband A/f. I still think that the innovate has much better software features as far as datalogging graphs and tools. The AEM has a programable output and innovate, some others have linear, the zeitronic is still non programable.
I got the lma3 so I could datalog, egt's as well as the other stuff(standalones typically no not do this) and it is important to datalog a/f and egt's with there coresponding rpm and boost info or it is not very helpfull. Example:your A/f is 11.8@6500rpm and the corresponding egt is 1600^, but if you don't know the boost level, then it is rather useless to compare. I could have got just a egt datalogger but then I would have to sit down and look at 2 datalogs and compare them, instead of having all of the info in one graph.
BTW thanks for the compliment, I'm finally droppin the motor/trans in this weekend, I just got the timing set, made the oil lines, made a turbo support brace and put the egt probes in
Last edited by SpeedEuphoria : 11-10-2006 at 01:58 AM.
Yes the zeitronixs will log RPMS/EGTS/AF/BOOST. It will do it on a pda for those without laptops. You can also buy addons to cut nitrous if you go lean, turn on shift lights, buzz or turn on a light if any variable you pick is met. Not a bad piece for the cost. You dont have to buy them all at once so it can be pretty inexpesive to start.
I got the lma3 so I could datalog, egt's as well as the other stuff(standalones typically no not do this) and it is important to datalog a/f and egt's with there coresponding rpm and boost info or it is not very helpfull. Example:your A/f is 11.8@6500rpm and the corresponding egt is 1600^, but if you don't know the boost level, then it is rather useless to compare. I could have got just a egt datalogger but then I would have to sit down and look at 2 datalogs and compare them, instead of having all of the info in one graph.
I agree.
1st: You should ALWAYS datalog. If you think you can tune just looking at a guage you're kidding yourself. Things happen too fast.
2nd: Log A/F, RPM and MAP. NOTE To anyone serious about tuning his own car, these should be the MINIMUM values logged. And they HAVE to be synched! MAP and A/F HAVE to be link to one another by RPM. So you shouldn't log RPM and MAP with one device and try to log just A/F with another. I do it on an LM-1/LMA-2. I also log TPS mainly to i.d. WOT easily.
The more inputs the better but IMO EGTs are less important when WOT times are <13 seconds(drag racing.) I don't put a terrorible amount of faith in EGTs pre or post turbo. Pre: exhaust temps are raised by the fact that the pressure ratio of the exhaust/intake is usually 1.5-2:1 or higher. Post: the turbine uses up alot of heat spinning the compressor.
well I agree about egt's being less important, just good to know if your trying to get the most out of pump gas and have to retard the timing. 1700MAX!, I shoot for less though to be safe(this is 1.5" after the head)
What do you need to buy to datalog with boost and rpm along side the AFR's with Zeitronix? I know with Innovate's LM-1 you have to buy the rpm converter and the aux box if you want to datalog other parameters. Where did you guys buy yours, I've only seen them from needswings, just wondering if there is anywhere else.
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