what??? are you for real?? well you try that and you will be in here with a thread titled blew my motor now
Come'on thats ignorance... i've seen a handful, read about more here...hell i've been in one. It all depends on what the owner does with it. Can it survive a year or two of street driving and occassional highway pulls. Why the hell not? Depends on the driver, the tune, supporting mods, the previous abuse the engine took etc.
We're mostly neon owners here, have we got the cash to buy a built bottom w/ strap kit with race head to go with our turbo swap? Mostly no, so we go with getting a new head because the stock head and cams are a real damper to this cars performance potential. This turbo is pretty much (to what i understand) an extended tip, quicker spooling, non BB 50 trim that flows just enough to get guys those 30-40 extra horses over a maxed out 50 trim. Its not like a GT40 GT35r or a 60-1.
Hell i know some crazy mofos on here running a 60-1 on stock engine.
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Come'on thats ignorance... i've seen a handful, read about more here...hell i've been in one. It all depends on what the owner does with it. Can it survive a year or two of street driving and occassional highway pulls. Why the hell not? Depends on the driver, the tune, supporting mods, the previous abuse the engine took etc.
We're mostly neon owners here, have we got the cash to buy a built bottom w/ strap kit with race head to go with our turbo swap? Mostly no, so we go with getting a new head because the stock head and cams are a real damper to this cars performance potential. This turbo is pretty much (to what i understand) an extended tip, quicker spooling, non BB 50 trim that flows just enough to get guys those 30-40 extra horses over a maxed out 50 trim. Its not like a GT40 GT35r or a 60-1.
Hell i know some crazy mofos on here running a 60-1 on stock engine.
ignorance huh.. you show me all these cars that you claim are running 550 to 600 hp on a stock bottom end. More off with the huge amount of timming that you would have to pull to tune that with a piggy back it would still go boom. So say you got an aem.. well who spends over 3k for an aem with no bottom end.. the bs chain starts to go at 400hp. Te oil system will all hyro lock on you with out oil mods.. So show me these cars that run this on pump daily.
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ignorance huh.. you show me all these cars that you claim are running 550 to 600 hp on a stock bottom end. More off with the huge amount of timming that you would have to pull to tune that with a piggy back it would still go boom. So say you got an aem.. well who spends over 3k for an aem with no bottom end.. the bs chain starts to go at 400hp. Te oil system will all hyro lock on you with out oil mods.. So show me these cars that run this on pump daily.
I didn't say 500-600 whp!
Doubting Thomas, wont believe without seeing. Do you realize that guys running around with dynos of ~440-460 whp are pretty much 500+hp cars at the crank? They're a dime a dozen nowadays and for the first 2-3 years of this car's run guys wanted to see how much abuse the stock block could take. Search yourself and i guarantee you'll find a lot more than you might've found originally. Did i say 550 to 600 hp on a piggyback w/o balance shaft removal, on pump, no upgraded gaskets, no upgraded oil gears? No...
Building up that bottom end is just the smart thing because you're doing everything to save your investment... but there are still plenty of people that say fuck it, if it blows I get to start fresh on a new engine.
fyi EMS goes for ~2k these days and yes i plan on EMS w/o a built bottom end and enough whp to call it a 500hp car... just like RJ Lo...why? cuz i'm a Spic like that
I've got my eye on this kit, however, I've just looked through Rage Tek's forums and they got 405 whp on this same turbo... Is the car that is related to this dyno tuned with a reflash or is it using a piggyback? I really don't see a built bottom end picking up that much power.
Any help would be appreciated, not knocking you guys, just trying to understand before buying.
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rj made 5XX somethin on his dbb 50 on race gas, stock block, stock clutch (yes i said stock clutch) fully ported head (stock cams and cam gears if i remember right) and supporting mods. just throwin it out there
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rj made 5XX somethin on his dbb 50 on race gas, stock block, stock clutch (yes i said stock clutch) fully ported head (stock cams and cam gears if i remember right) and supporting mods. just throwin it out there
And in that thread he said we turned it way down after that, he just wanted to see how much he could do.. This guy first stated the he "thought" i.e. has no clue, the stock bottom end could handle 500-600 hp then says he didn't say that. if you run that much hp on the stocker it is only a matter of time.
And in that thread he said we turned it way down after that, he just wanted to see how much he could do.. This guy first stated the he "thought" i.e. has no clue, the stock bottom end could handle 500-600 hp then says he didn't say that. if you run that much hp on the stocker it is only a matter of time.
True...Some have "turned it up" just to max out the 50's and I have seen 515 ish is the max....but those were in controlled enviorments in which the temp was the same and so on. At that point in the tune simple degree change at the wrong hiccup in the tune will result in a $3000 fix...
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True...Some have "turned it up" just to max out the 50's and I have seen 515 ish is the max....but those were in controlled enviorments in which the temp was the same and so on. At that point in the tune simple degree change at the wrong hiccup in the tune will result in a $3000 fix...
What are we even argueing about? Karate Explosion
No arguement here, Nasty Nas just wants to beat people over the head with numbers he heard on the interwebz without looking at units of measurement. Yes 500-600 hp is def pushing it. "I thought" doesn't mean "doesn't know" I've seen people with stock turbo and engine blow up just cranking the boost to 21 psi.
Some people just want to spout numbers but still not acknowledge that i said 500-600 hp (measured at crank=~400-420 whp) NOT 500-600 WHP (as in TO THE WHEELS) which are totally different things given the 15%-18% drivetrain loss and some normal parasitic losses. RJ's shit was boss, even when the motor was almost totally stock and just about 500 hp @ the crank on pump.
Yes upon further research and all the threads i've read since i bought this car late in 2004 this car has been taking 500-600 hp AT THE CRANK with stock bottom end reliably for awhile. Doubters can just look at all the 400+ whp stock bottom (and even stock headed) cars out there.
The car that ran 221 mph in the salt flats was running 1000+hp with minor bottom end mods and stock crank.
how long would that last? who knows, make sure the chain is cut, assembly removed and billet oil gears, and not drive the balls off the car i can't see why you can't have 500hp all day long for awhile. Now the transmission is another thing...
Id still like to know what the efficiency range on this turbo is. If im not getting headwork done just yet i wanna know how it would behave at around 16-18 psi.
Last edited by NCNTRL516 : 03-21-2008 at 06:13 PM.
Nope, just some people doubting the stock bottom end can take all that powah without shitting the bed.
It sounds like a problem i'll be more than happy to tackle tho. Are these made per order or do you have a couple lying around
'Tis tax season right?
I can't find any wheel specs on this turbo... i've tried but i guess i fail at the interwebz. Can you expend any numbers and any validity that this is just an extended tip .50 trim?
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