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Old 05-05-2008, 09:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Planning on going out to Willow Springs on 5/24 to run HDPE on Big Willow.
Anybody have any tips for a noob? I have fairly new BFG Sports, Mopar S1's, Hawk HPS and Powerslots. Not sure if they will hold up.
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Quote: Originally Posted by mopar4ever View Post
Planning on going out to Willow Springs on 5/24 to run HDPE on Big Willow.
Anybody have any tips for a noob? I have fairly new BFG Sports, Mopar S1's, Hawk HPS and Powerslots. Not sure if they will hold up.

I haven't run Big Willow yet but some overall tips for a noob to track events (I am sure others will add more)(not in any specific order) -

1) Make sure lugs are torqued properly and check after each session
2) High temperature brake fluid - bled properly
3) Hawk HPS are not the best for track but should work as long as you pay attention to your car. If brakes start fading, make sure to give yourself longer braking zones or come in and let them cool down
4) You are there to learn so pay attention to your instructor and don't overdrive the car (better to work your way up to "speed")

Enjoy and trust me, you will be hooked
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Quote: Originally Posted by mopar4ever View Post
Planning on going out to Willow Springs on 5/24 to run HDPE on Big Willow.
Anybody have any tips for a noob? I have fairly new BFG Sports, Mopar S1's, Hawk HPS and Powerslots. Not sure if they will hold up.

Don't worry about anything else, just have fun! Speed comes with experience. And You will be hooked, so the experience will come in time. Drink lots of fluids, listen to your instructor, it will be hard but if he is good he will really be the best thing that will happen to You. Oh yea I'll be their, I'm a noob but if there is anything I can help with just hit me up. Again HAVE FUN!!!
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go on You Tube and ck out the track there are alot of vids with street cars it helped me it will probably help You.
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1. Get a full tank of gas before you enter willow springs. If you want to just run our 91 octane stuff, it's a LOT cheaper outside the track, however if you want the good juice, they got it there.

2. If it's a track "day" and you're going to be on/off the track a lot, bring sunscreen. LOL I burned like crazy out there.

3. Check the lugs/brakes like the others said, and wish I would have studied the track via youtube before I went.

4. It's hot out there, so bring lots of fluids.

5. If they are going to have instructors there, have them ridew a lap or two with you, or do as I did and try to get them to be in the car every lap. LOL they know their stuff, might as well pick their brain all day long.

6. When I went with Sector111 (A Lotus Elise/Exiege group) lots of people brought a jack, extra tires/wheels and brake pads. While those are a bit much for a first-timer, even my bud and I had to run around asking people for a tire-pressure gauge because as the tires get hot, you need to bleed pressure (and add pressure after a lunch break) so bring a 12v compressor and a good tire gauge.

7. Bring a good helmet. Since it's now hot here, I suggest an open helmet otherwise you will need to have the A/C on unless you get one of the cool liquid-cooling race suits.

8. If you have a camcorder (or two) bring them. Record the instruction, and then record both out your windshield AND your feet on the pedals. There's a lot you can learn when you later see how (in my case -- bad) of a driver you are.

9. Bring blue painter's masking tape. Either before you get there, or arrive early then put on, but tape up your headlights, and everything low to the ground. Rocker panels, side skirts, air dam, etc... You'd be surprised how much gravel gets on the track out at willow springs.

I raced on the "Streets" track, with my buddies Exiege S and it was the best thing money can buy. I believe the "big" track is a high-speed track (150-200 mph in the porsches that were racing the day I was on the streets track) I've only went that one time, and I learned a lot. It's far better to brake late then too early, which is a n00b thing that I did. I also learned you need to trust your brakes more.

some words of advice from some people I heard:
- use the whole track, since you paid for the whole track (i.e hit the apex, but right after swing wide using the full width of the track.)

- get on the gas only when you are prepared to stay on it.

- Get on the brakes hard at first, then taper off them. Keeping the contact patch happy means keeping your times low and you safe.

- keep your hands at 9 and 3 and never change them. That way you don't have to look down at the wheel while taking a full sweeper at 120 mph

- look where you want to end up. on the track, you look higher up (further away) than you do on the street. Remember, you're on a track with people that (hopefully) know what they are doing and you can spend less time on watching them and more time on where you are going.

- if they use flags, pay attention to what they mean.

- learn the "ok to pass" signal. If you're good, you'll wait to see it before you overtake the slow-poke in front of you. If you're like me, you'll be giving it many times

- As the instructor predicted (correctly in my case) I got strung out getting on the track and missed the 2-3 shift. He said it's good to admit you're nervous, but just keep your cool and you will actually go faster than gritting your teeth and squeezing the steering wheel with all your might.

most importantly have fun and drive safe. They reminded us that the local PD doesn't put up with anything outside of the track so make sure to "get it all out" while on the track
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Couple more questions guys.

Typically who many days before the event should I expect to get the packet?
I am worried about finding time to get my car tech signed off during the week.

Also what is the best way to ensure my psi is correct? Do I apply shoe polish after every run? to ensure the sidewall is holding up? Should I air down the rears to help combat oversteer. What psi should I set them to before my first run?
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Did You sign up on line? If so You will get a receipt in your e-mail. Just print and bring with You to track. Be there around 7am on Saturday and they will tech Your car for free trackside. Dont worry so much! Tire pressures well I start at 28 psi cold all around with my Kumhos. I would say start at 30 or better yet ask your instructor he will know or will know someone who does know. One thing before You tech take everything lose out of the car, including the trunk , glovebox, center console. Bring a small blanket or tarp, stack stuff on tarp. I'll be there around 7am getting teched, come by and say hi. Another thing just have FUN !! This is about as much fun as You can have legally.
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- keep your hands at 9 and 3 and never change them. That way you don't have to look down at the wheel while taking a full sweeper at 120 mph

ok, this is going to cause all sorts of problems with crossing your wrists and your instructor will be on your case for doing it, if you mean keep your hands in the same spot on the steering wheel. We don't exactly have the quickest steering ratio in the world and you'll cross your wrists and arms up and that is not safe or quick. Learn to shuffle-steer to keep your hands from crossing. This was one of the first things they teach at most schools and I got positive comments on it from some instructors at various events I've been to.
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The instructor that I had at willow springs said that you keep them planted at 9 and 3 until your arms basically hit, then remove one hand grab at 180* from where your other hand is and go like that. (end over end).

I'm sure it's probably a personal thing, but in his case he forbid shuffling the wheel.

In the case of the Exiege I was driving I never needed to go beyond locking my arms, and I believe the streets track is a tighter course than the big one, but yeah if you need to go further than your arms will let you, then do whatever the instructor wants you to do

As far as the pressure, I would see what the other guys are running or ask an instructor. The streets track is a slower track (I hit maybe 110 // the Elise's were only hitting 95-110) so heat buildup due to high speed was low, so we were running 26/28 I think...But it's a completely different car and on barely street-legal yok's for tires. I would presume due to the fact the srt/neon understeers badly, you'd want to go lower in the front than the back, and if you wanted oversteer on the turns, then you might leave the pressure alone on the back and only adjust the front.

I'm still a big time noob, so I can only go off of what I learned that one time. I plan to go more often this year though
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End up in the ~40psi range hot for the front for street tires.
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I found response to be at its best when I started with 40 psi on my bfg g-force sports. after a 20-30 minute session, the highest tire pressure would be at 47psi. I think on the bfg's, the highest cold pressure is 44lbs
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It's great to see that you are getting so much advice. Anyways, just remember to have fun and take it easy your first time out on the big track. Yes, it is a fast track but you'll have plenty of time to go fast the next couple times you come out. Just spend time learning the track and enjoying. I can't make it on Saturday but I will be there on Sunday. Have fun!
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Are you going on the 25th? Which group are you running in?
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Oh sure....now he resurfaces.... Got anything new on the car?
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