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Soooo. Just finished up with my engine build and thought I would share the events that I have went through.

Car was purchased from a local (a member here as well) back in March of 2011. I had watched the car appear on Craigslist in mid-2010 from a person in Suffolk who looked like he needed to dump the car quickly. Sadly it disappeared and I thought that my search for a CE was lost. The body looked ok other than it needed a side mirror like it was barely hit on that side?? Definitely fixable. It supposedly had mod x and mod z and had piqued my interest. Low and behold it appears again in late 2010 with a pricetag of $14K. I knew that the car sold for around $6-7K and probably less since the person in Suffolk seemed desperate. I watched the car fiercely hoping that the price would drop. I believe that the new owner wanted to quickly flip the car for almost twice for what he paid. Good strategy if you know what you are getting in to....

Problem 1: new to meth

Ok not so bad...

Problem 2:
From:Rebuilt motor now I have issues

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Damn i read this whole thread hoping to find an answer...My srt just started doing the same exact thing. I havnt had much time to mess with it like you have due to fact that it started 2 days ago..However, I took VC off, looked around in there and found nothing, but I swear the noise is coming from the head. It makes no sense to me..But, I did some more research and some people came up with the same noise, and it was a cracked flywheel, or like when you checked with the bolts on the flex plate...Have you checked your flywheel? i will be checking everything hopefully on tuesday or by next weekend. I will let you guy's know if I happen to figure anything out.
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i really think mine is just lifter nosie, it sounds more of a rattle more than knocking...However, it still has me nervous lol. Luckily I have a daily I can drive until then.
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Damn this problem, I am trying to sell my commemorative and it started making this noise. I can't figure it out for the life of me..A few buddies of mine think it is wrist pin.. I really dont have the time or money to be spending on it though, I wish I could just sell it as is!
Hmmmmm.

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From: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f347...27/index2.html

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700 shipped for short block
Ruh roh. Looking for a shortblock isn't good. Noted....

Here is the history as far as I can trace it.

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Dodge : Neon: eBay Motors (item 260684134755 end time Nov-03-10 17:20:41 PDT)

Looks like this one is up f/s. Looks a little rough.
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the pic is kinda blurry....looks like #153
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im thinking about buying this one, talked to the guy who owns it. he says it has like 500hp?
and what looks rough about it?
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Well according to ebay it already sold, if it was sold for $7700 that's a pretty good buy, even just parts alone, IMHO it's tough to buy a built car without knowing the history of it, the car I got although not built is big turbo, but i've been friends w/ the original owner for almost 2 years and he babied this car, and it's well built and done right, again just my two cents....it's tough to buy someone elses headache ie: accident on carfax, rebuilt trans etc...
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the one that you guys saw on ebay for 7700 is still available, im here in virginia beach and i offered the guy 6700 and he said he would take it, I am going to head over tomorrow and take a look at it. Any suggestions on what i should look for in any problems, or something that could evenutally be a problem?
Date: 12-04-2010
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Car Hauls some serious ass, just bought it today for only 6700 bucks. few scratches here and there...but TOTALLY worth it.
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I'll have to try and get some pictures soon, weather has been pretty bad lately, plus by the time i get off work its dark outside.
Date: 03-26-2011
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Just purchased #153.

If anyone knows the history of if please shoot me a pm.
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i just sold #153 to a local guy here in virginia beach, VA.
This one is hilarious! Posted after the car was in my hands for about 2 months. We'll see why later on.

Date 05-03-2011
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my ce made almost 600whp on the dyno, never got a chance to take it to the track before selling however...Fully built with garrett gt35r, crane cams, eagle rods, wiseco pistons,1000cc's, and aem ems
Now there is a reason that I posted the dates for those two quotes as something happened when the PO purchased the vehicle and when I did as it appears that it was in the hands of the PO for approximately 3 months. Sad state of affairs.

Now here is the ad that I made contact on from Craigslist:

2005 srt-4
Date: 2011-02-12, 11:06PM

i have a FULLY BUILT 2005 commemorative edition srt-4 only 200 were made...I have number 153 of 200 Car has 43k miles on it, motor has been rebuilt by brian cox from virginia speed 8k miles ago.. Car hasnt been tuned in a while so it needs a good tune right now car puts down around 350 whp, thats without any meth and stock aem ems base map tune. with a new tune and meth car will put down around 450WHP (or more until you max out injectors)...with bigger injectors..Car can handle over 600 WHP..Just inspected as of 12/5/10 and brand new tires were just put on as well as an altinator belt and power steering belt ..mods are as follows

Motor:
Wiseco 9:1 pistons
Eagle Rods
Clevite 77 bearing
Machine block
Polished and balance crank
ARP Head studs
Crower cams
stage III ACT clutch and flywheel
Port and polished head.
AEM Engine Management System (brand new)
880cc Injectors
AEM fuel rail
225 fuel pump
Garrett GT35r dual ball bearing turbo
Tubular EX manifold
3" downpipe
3" exhaust
2 1/2 hotpipe
alc injection kit
AEM boost cont
SOLID notormounts
D2 fully adjustible coilovers
New Starter
New Rebuilt transmission.
the Bad: The car has a rattle coming from the block, I have taken the car to 3 shops, it is not a rod or anything because the rattle is too inconsistent plus it wont do it at idle and it only starts above 2k rpms.... 2 out of the 3 shops said it is a broken wrist pin, along with a bunch of my budddies. The car drives fine besides the rattle
also have a DC strut bar i will throw in.
$7000 or best offer
the car has ALOT of money put in to it...I just need some money..

So I go and see it. 2-15-2011

I edited the previous owners screenname to xxx.

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We talk back and forth working on price and details. For the first meet I brought tools and a friend with a really nice borescope to look inside the engine and see what is up. Plugs 2-3-4 came out no problem and looked inside the bores. Saw aftermarket pistons and relatively smooth bores. Unfortunately plug 1 would not come out and I thought I needed a narrower socket to take it out so I left it alone as I did not want to strip the plug out any worse that it already was. Up top everything seemed ok to a couple of educated, but untrained eyes.

Started the car and it sounded fine. Ran a little rich but I figured as much as the ad said "it needed a tune." Revved it a bit and the noise was definately there. I unloaded cylinder #2 and it disappeared. I thought that if there was a problem it was in that cylinder and I may have to fix just that one hole.

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Then comes 3-15-2011 and I did a more thorough picture taking as the first visit was to inspect the health of the car.



















































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Needless to say in the months time from the first look and the second look I had educated myself and saw many many things wrong.... I did drive it that day and was not impressed. It moved but was so pig rich that it backfired and ran like shit. The fuel map that I will post later will show you why.

My main reason for driving it is that I was not going to purchase a car that was undrivable period!!! I had no idea on the condition of the drivetrain and would not drop the coin if the drivetrain was toast.

We negotiated for a while, I lowballed expecting to replace the entire engine. He countered and I accepted. Took cash over the next day and towed it home.

3-25-2011

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Internally gated 35R? What manifold is that?

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Yes. It is internally gated. I am not sure how well it will work, and I don't plan on changing it for the time being. I am not looking to max this setup out. Reliable fun is all I am shooting for. The WG is a Garrett standard 7psi model. Currently it is connected just below the TIP sensor, and will eventually be connected to the EMS boost solenoid. From what I can tell this turbo kit came from ATP as they are the only place that offers a 35R in a 5 bolt configuration internally gated.

The mani is a custom tubular one from what I can tell. The design isn't the best for flow, but I figure worst case it will flow like a log manifold. As you can tell it was leaking profusely above the flange and the PO tired to seal it with high temp RTV. I removed it, blasted it, and took it to a local welding shop who fixed it up nicely. Hopefully it holds up this time.
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Preliminary inspection time. Read a TSB about the cam caps possibly causing the noise that I was hearing. Loosened and checked the caps. They had the factory bevel. Reinstalled the caps. Problem still persisted. Obviously a bottom end problem.

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Upgraded springs and retainers along with ARP studs



BC Stage 2 Cams



Casting flaw within one of the cam caps



Rest look fine with a normal wear pattern. Looks rough but is smooth to fingernail.



Pressure washed and quick photo shoot after doing some landscaping work around the house.


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Rusty cams???





Contacted BC and they fixed me up for a nominal price. Was happy with their customer service.
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Finally gets rolled in to the garage for a deep inspection on Mar 5, 2012.

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Rust had progressed on the cam



















Like I said earlier BC fixed me right up. It almost appears that the final surface treatment had failed. Usually parts that are covered in oil don't rust. Who knows...
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Ported head. The dimensions look off from each other, but the measured equal with each other. Not a CNC port but it will do.







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WTF!!! Look at this RTV work!!!









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Honda coolant overflow bottle. Small, compact, it'll do. I may sand off the honda so the car doesn't get pissed at me.



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