Dont Ever Buy Brian Crower Stage 3 Cams - Page 3 - SRT Forums

91PumpKing. · 01-31-2009, 02:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Adionik

I hope this doesn't happen to me

this guy has 1 fuck up...

bc3's...bc's period are SUCH a popular cam amongst the import/domestic scene.

i have never, ever heard any issue about bc cams since the day i joined here in 04.

the last of your worries on a motorbuild is gunna lie on whether or not your cam will out of the blue break your valvetrain...

and if you have big cams, make sure you have the correct valvetrain for such...

[H]ardMacK · 01-31-2009, 03:29 AM

i got 20k miles on my TK PNP head (+1 intake +2 exhaust) and BC3's with Fidanza Gears with three different turbos...

Hope you can find a resolution but three failures out of how many sets? Probably wont see much of anything. Sorry.

nutz · 01-31-2009, 05:11 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by cybr

Cam sheared pin. Cam stuck. Kept valve open on cyl 1.

2000rpms, @ 1500mi after rebuild. Not pushing it at all. Cam did it 2x. First time was car idling. Everything was in tolerance. Not a shop fuckup.

Happened 2 other times to posters on this board, I believe in FLA.

Call and talk to PFI, they'll get more into detail. I am not the tech, or I'd have done the work myself. Forced me to go back to stock, fuckin BS.

So yes, BC Stage 3 cams, bad batch, whatever you want to call it, it wasn't the valvetrain, all proper hardware was used, etc.

danmmm bro sux

hope the shop and BC pull together to do the right thing (the money/labor would be nothing to shop/company of this calibur)

cybr · 01-31-2009, 12:40 PM

Shop covered labor to go back to stock, they stepped up for sure... My problem is not with PFI at all...

Problem is with a cam that has been known to cause this issue.

cybr · 01-31-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 91PumpKing.

this guy has 1 fuck up...

bc3's...bc's period are SUCH a popular cam amongst the import/domestic scene.

i have never, ever heard any issue about bc cams since the day i joined here in 04.

the last of your worries on a motorbuild is gunna lie on whether or not your cam will out of the blue break your valvetrain...

and if you have big cams, make sure you have the correct valvetrain for such...

Correct valvetrain according to BC is their springs & retainers, which WERE used in this build. It wasn't that.

snkmug · 01-31-2009, 03:35 PM

Yep cause if the cam stops or timing belt breaks, the BC's stage 3's make the 2.4 an interference engine....

**OrAnGe-SrT4** · 01-31-2009, 03:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cybr

Shop covered labor to go back to stock, they stepped up for sure... My problem is not with PFI at all...

Problem is with a cam that has been known to cause this issue.

You mean, the cam which had 1 problem in the past until now. Because from what you said only one other incident has occured with the BC3's. I'll probably still order some, but thanks for your heads up I guess.

**OrAnGe-SrT4** · 01-31-2009, 03:41 PM

I just searched too, but do you have a link for the other incident with the BC3's? I would like to see what happened in his case and read his story.

HexenLord · 01-31-2009, 06:01 PM

Want to know what ruined a 5k build? You knowing how to sign your checks better than you know how to work on your car. If you don't know what you're doing then you don't deserve to have the car.

Btw, a cam pin sheering off isn't going to cause this if they were installed properly. The cam pin is only there for alignment purposes when installing the gear, and does not hold the gear onto the cam. Once the cam gear is installed you could cut the cam pin off and it won't have any effect. This problem was caused by not properly torquing the cam gear bolts. Anyone who knows anything about cams could tell you this.

The ONLY way this could be a problem, is if the cam pin was a little too long causing the bolt to not torque to the gear properly.

But my guess is, whoever installed them screwed this up, it wasn't the cam itself. If the pin was too long, you should have noticed this when installing the gear. Again... lack of knowing what the hell you're doing. If you paid a shop to install them for you, thats even worse. Cause not only did you sign those checks to pay for the cams but you had to sign one to have someone half-ass install them.

matthew00029 · 02-01-2009, 12:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by HexenLord

Want to know what ruined a 5k build? You knowing how to sign your checks better than you know how to work on your car. If you don't know what you're doing then you don't deserve to have the car.

Btw, a cam pin sheering off isn't going to cause this if they were installed properly. The cam pin is only there for alignment purposes when installing the gear, and does not hold the gear onto the cam. Once the cam gear is installed you could cut the cam pin off and it won't have any effect. This problem was caused by not properly torquing the cam gear bolts. Anyone who knows anything about cams could tell you this.

The ONLY way this could be a problem, is if the cam pin was a little too long causing the bolt to not torque to the gear properly.

But my guess is, whoever installed them screwed this up, it wasn't the cam itself. If the pin was too long, you should have noticed this when installing the gear. Again... lack of knowing what the hell you're doing. If you paid a shop to install them for you, thats even worse. Cause not only did you sign those checks to pay for the cams but you had to sign one to have someone half-ass install them.

This man speaks the truth....Plus I have never heard of this happening to others so who do you speak of? Sorry your word is not good enough for me.

cybr · 02-01-2009, 01:18 AM

BC owners beware

There's another guy who had the same shit happen.

Ask him if you want.

Tell me PFI doesn't know what they're doing, lol. Call Kevin Warren and tell him PFI doesn't know what they're doing. You gotta be kidding me. PFI know their shit.

matthew00029 · 02-01-2009, 01:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by cybr

BC owners beware

There's another guy who had the same shit happen.

Ask him if you want.

Tell me PFI doesn't know what they're doing, lol. Call Kevin Warren and tell him PFI doesn't know what they're doing. You gotta be kidding me. PFI know their shit.

I don't doubt the shop I know they are good.

Ok 2 instances with "proof"....Why isn't there more failures than? Your theory with the pin is wrong too so explain that.

cybr · 02-01-2009, 01:23 AM

I am just saying what the shop told me.

They tell me the cams caused the failure, so I am throwing it out there so no one else has the same shit happen to them. If I can save someone from losing a $5k build, I'll try my best to.

If I was someone coming on here looking at cams, I'd definitely look at a different brand after these posts...

Turbocruiser13 · 02-01-2009, 02:57 AM

I'd probably still buy BC cams after reading this thread....oh wait...I did.

HexenLord · 02-01-2009, 03:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by cybr

I am just saying what the shop told me.

They tell me the cams caused the failure, so I am throwing it out there so no one else has the same shit happen to them. If I can save someone from losing a $5k build, I'll try my best to.

If I was someone coming on here looking at cams, I'd definitely look at a different brand after these posts...

And I'll say this again, A CAM PIN SHEERING OFF WILL NOT RUIN YOUR MOTOR IN ANY WAY. THIS PIN DOES NOT HOLD YOUR CAM GEAR IN PLACE, THE BOLTS DO. THIS PIN IS ONLY THERE FOR WHEN YOU INSTALL THE CAM GEAR TO GET IT STRAIGHT. IF THE CAM GEAR SPINS ENOUGH TO SHEER OFF THE CAM PIN ITS BECAUSE THE GEAR BOLTS WERE NOT TORQUED DOWN PROPERLY. IF THE TIMING BELT IS SPINNING THE GEAR AND NOT THE CAM, THEN THE VALVES WILL BE STUCK OPEN AND YOU'LL HAVE THIS SAME THING HAPPEN.

DOES THAT MEAN THE CAM WAS AT FAULT? NO, EVEN THOUGH IT HELD THE VALVES OPEN UNTIL CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE, THE CAM ITSELF WAS NOT THE CAUSE OF THE FAILURE, IT WAS THE IDIOT WHO INSTALLED THE CAM GEAR, AND THE IDIOT THAT PAID HIM TO DO IT.

When PFI said that the cam was the cause... they meant that it was not turning anymore and caused the valves to stay open. The cam itself wasn't the failure here, it was the gear slipping on the cam, which is why the pin sheered off, and the cam stopped spinning.

AGAIN, THIS PROBLEM WAS CAUSED BY THE CAM GEAR BOLTS, NOT THE CAM. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS. ITS OBVIOUS YOU DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR OWN CAR AND HOW THE PARTS YOU PAID TO HAVE PUT IN IT EVEN WORK, SO THIS WAS PROBABLY A GOOD THING.