Dont Ever Buy Brian Crower Stage 3 Cams - Page 2 - SRT Forums

**OrAnGe-SrT4** · 01-30-2009, 04:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cybr

Call PFI @ pfispeed.com for more information. THEY told me it was the cams, and they built Kevin Warren's SRT4. Call me a dumbass, and realize that shop knows wtf they're doing, and it WAS the cams fault.

Ask Kevin Warren. Ask Dan or Brent @ PFI and they'll fill you in for more info.

Still sticking to original post.

Then they need to come in here and explain exactly what cause the failure. YOU do not need to start a thread with little to no information as to why your valve stuck open. Brian Crower may have not be out long, but being the son of a VERY RESPECTED internals builder I can bet you he isn't going to make a camshaft that will ruin a motor.

I would imagine either you, or the shop, never upgraded the valve train or was installer error. Please let one of the builders come in and enlighten us as to why it failed before you flood a thread with ignorance. Since you obviously know nothing as to why your valve train components failed

cybr · 01-30-2009, 04:22 PM

BC Stage 3 cams, springs, retainers... all installed together.

I don't have to explain anything. I'll leave that to people that know better. I'll just say this isn't the first time this exact same problem has happened... I think there's 3 cases now of this failure.

You can attack me all you want, but I'll let everyone know not to touch them. NO ONE's paying for this problem but me. If Brian Crower wants to send me a newly built motor to make up for this problem, I'll stop talking about it... In the meantime, no one's stepping up to take care of the costs associated with the fuckup that part made happen.

PFI's put forward many many hours fixing this issue, and no one's paying them either.

Someone needs to step up.

hercfe · 01-30-2009, 04:26 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cybr

BC Stage 3 cams, springs, retainers... all installed together.

I don't have to explain anything. I'll leave that to people that know better. I'll just say this isn't the first time this exact same problem has happened... I think there's 3 cases now of this failure.

You can attack me all you want, but I'll let everyone know not to touch them. NO ONE's paying for this problem but me. If Brian Crower wants to send me a newly built motor to make up for this problem, I'll stop talking about it... In the meantime, no one's stepping up to take care of the costs associated with the fuckup that part made happen.

PFI's put forward many many hours fixing this issue, and no one's paying them either.

Someone needs to step up.

why don't you just say exactly what happened? maybe the cam really was the culprit. it would help anyone who is researching buying cams to keep aware of this situation. dont shut everyone out just because they rag on you. that doesnt solve anything, or help anyone else understand.

Turbocruiser13 · 01-30-2009, 04:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cybr

You can attack me all you want, but I'll let everyone know not to touch them. NO ONE's paying for this problem but me.

... In the meantime, no one's stepping up to take care of the costs associated with the fuckup that part made happen.

PFI's put forward many many hours fixing this issue, and no one's paying them either.
Someone needs to step up.

Sounds like you need to get your story straight there bud...if nobody's paying the shop to rebuild your motor...sounds like they're assuming the guilty side of things and taking responsibillity for not putting it together right the first time. Who cares what the fuck they did with kevin warren's car...maybe they just got lucky that time...noobs

Edit: Forgot to mention that I love my BC cams to death!

mach5stage3 · 01-30-2009, 06:49 PM

i dont think it was an error in the cams, ive been running them since theyve came out an put them through a "LOT" dare i tell the miles i put on a head with sparkplug hanging on for dear life an yes i have the spring kit as well, did you have a stage kit as well?

Xx_R/T_xX · 01-30-2009, 08:17 PM

I would be pissed the fuck out too.

Cybr feels like he just thrown 5grand out the fuckin window, people who drive neons dont shit out money, i feel your pain.

Hope everything works out well for you. goodluck

**OrAnGe-SrT4** · 01-30-2009, 08:20 PM

I drive a neon and shit out money....

snkmug · 01-30-2009, 08:36 PM

valvetrain failure caused by the large cam....not the cams fault, its the valvetrain.....

Madisonr34 · 01-30-2009, 08:53 PM

Well I don't shit out money. Yesterday was pizza.

It's probably a faulty valve spring or it might be that piston to valve clearence wasn't checked.
Im thinking, if it was the cam's fault, the thing would have never fit in your head in the first place because all cam lobes have to be identical for each camshaft. When the shop installed the timing belt, they would have turned the motor by hand a couple revolutions in order to check timing and timing belt tension. If the camshaft was at fault, it would have gotten stuck then. But you have an all BC valvetrain so check with the shop to see what exactly failed so you can call BC up.

**OrAnGe-SrT4** · 01-30-2009, 09:07 PM

Another question is what was going when the "valve stuck open"?

never2muchboost · 01-30-2009, 09:32 PM

just to clarify...

im not trying to be a dick when i said what i said ... i just find it hard to understand how the cam itself is at fault. how can a cam cause a valvetrain failure? every single one is cut precisely by machine... now if somehow the program that cuts it suddenly "forgot" to grind down one lobe i can see it being the cams fault but then again i would have to blame the builder for being blind.

now just some food for thought here.. when you install the rocker arms you can actually have one pop off and because its 4 valves per cylinder you wouldnt feel a misfire in that cylinder because one of the valves is still opening but the rocker could have eventually fell into the right place and wedged itself in the valvespring and caused that.

like i said im not trying tobe a dick about it and believe me i have no interest in defending crowers son but when you spec out a cam to use in a build its the builders decision to buy that cam so the fault really doesnt lie in brian

nutz · 01-30-2009, 10:20 PM

no offense to the OP and i understand you might not have 100% of the story

I HAVE A VERY HARD TIME BELIEVING A CAM COULD MAKE A VALVE STICK

op, could you please clear up what the failure was (cam shattered, bent cam, metal failure????)

i feel for your loss

hope you get it fixed

no one should be flaming the op he is the victum no matter what happened

cybr · 01-31-2009, 12:05 AM

Cam sheared pin. Cam stuck. Kept valve open on cyl 1.

2000rpms, @ 1500mi after rebuild. Not pushing it at all. Cam did it 2x. First time was car idling. Everything was in tolerance. Not a shop fuckup.

Happened 2 other times to posters on this board, I believe in FLA.

Call and talk to PFI, they'll get more into detail. I am not the tech, or I'd have done the work myself. Forced me to go back to stock, fuckin BS.

So yes, BC Stage 3 cams, bad batch, whatever you want to call it, it wasn't the valvetrain, all proper hardware was used, etc.

Madisonr34 · 01-31-2009, 01:58 AM

You should call BC. Damn that suks.

Adionik · 01-31-2009, 02:25 AM

I hope this doesn't happen to me