i love how the media is doing exactly what the bad guys want, giving this story too much exposure. we know he is captured, got it............next story please.
it sucks for him, his buddies and his family, but i must say i am slightly appalled that he is reading to the camera what the bad guys want him to say, pretty much denouncing the war. he should say nothing more than his name, grade and serial number, that is it. if i were in his shoes, i would probably accept the fact that barring a miracle, i am dead meat. why help the bad guys out by complying with their wishes?
furthermore, i do enjoy how the military worked with the media to twist the story of how he was captured. while i can't exactly spill what i know, i can say that the story America is being fed is BS.
oh and one more thing. does anyone find it slightly disturbing that when a cute little girl was captured (Jessica Lynch), we sent in the Special Forces and Marine Recon guys to get her out at all costs. granted, we don't know exactly where this guy is being held yet, but i am sure we could find out. so far, no male captured has been given the same courtesy, through no fault of his buddies or units, these orders come from higher up. but still, it's retarded that we damn near stopped the whole Iraqi war and sent in the best of the best to get ONE girl, yet so far with every male captured, we look for a while and give up. WTF?
furthermore, i do enjoy how the military worked with the media to twist the story of how he was captured. while i can't exactly spill what i know, i can say that the story America is being fed is BS.
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Dont flatter yourself,the truth is out there....He was drunk and wandered off the post late a night. Now, exactly 'how' he just wandered off i donnu, maybe on tower guard duty and just left i donnu...
What would you expect from the national guard, lol. He told them where he was and what they were doing. That fucking faggot is sing'ing like a canary right now.
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well the drunk thing i heard as well, although i don't know how true that is, it was never mentioned in the report i read.
the thing i don't get is, if he was on patrol, why were his weapon and body armor on the FOB? also, if he was with a patrol, would they not have noticed someone lagging behind so far that he would be able to be captured without anyone's knowledge? AND, while on patrol in a combat zone, it's safe to say that his weapon is locked and loaded and probably not on safe. if a van rolled up and went to grab him, he couldn't at least squeeze the trigger to warn the others?
i love how the media is full of shit and the military is the one feeding it to them.
My guess is he was with the guard and off post fucking off. I have heard worse stories. Jumped in a hmmwv rolling out the gate and just layed in the back drinking some hooch.
There patch needs to read 'National Guard' Not Army, cause they are no where near the level of a Active duty soldier.
it sucks for him, his buddies and his family, but i must say i am slightly appalled that he is reading to the camera what the bad guys want him to say, pretty much denouncing the war. he should say nothing more than his name, grade and serial number, that is it. if i were in his shoes, i would probably accept the fact that barring a miracle, i am dead meat. why help the bad guys out by complying with their wishes?
Not a flame, but I think this is unfair to be so judgmental here. I understand your sentiment but all men break sooner or later. Read Faith Of My Fathers by John McCain if you want some more incite in this. One of the best strategies POWs have is to pretend that they are broken and provide misinformation. The guys who do what you state get killed right away as they appear to offer little value to their captors.
Who knows what can happen if time passes? Plenty of POWs have been able to escape their captors to offer some hope here that he could do the same. He is alone and will have to do what he has to do to survive. It may not be enough as he may still be killed but I won't judge him too harshly here as other better men have faltered too.
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oh and one more thing. does anyone find it slightly disturbing that when a cute little girl was captured (Jessica Lynch), we sent in the Special Forces and Marine Recon guys to get her out at all costs. granted, we don't know exactly where this guy is being held yet, but i am sure we could find out. so far, no male captured has been given the same courtesy, through no fault of his buddies or units, these orders come from higher up. but still, it's retarded that we damn near stopped the whole Iraqi war and sent in the best of the best to get ONE girl, yet so far with every male captured, we look for a while and give up. WTF?
jim
Just another example of where we men overly protect women. Let's face it a captured women is a bigger story than a captured man so there was probably more pressure for action. The fact is we may be gradually moving towards gender equality but we do not really see men and women as equals and, I don't see this changing any time soon. However, it could be also that in the cases you mentioned they had better intel for locating Jessica Lynch than the others.
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oh and one more thing. does anyone find it slightly disturbing that when a cute little girl was captured (Jessica Lynch), we sent in the Special Forces and Marine Recon guys to get her out at all costs. granted, we don't know exactly where this guy is being held yet, but i am sure we could find out. so far, no male captured has been given the same courtesy, through no fault of his buddies or units, these orders come from higher up. but still, it's retarded that we damn near stopped the whole Iraqi war and sent in the best of the best to get ONE girl, yet so far with every male captured, we look for a while and give up. WTF?
I find this sick and twisted as well. On the surface it looks like we value children's lives more than we do the armed forces. In my opinion, the only difference between the two is the amount of media attention they recieve. I would like to believe that the only reason they are treated differently is because the intel as to where he is being hidden is unknown, opposed to Lynch, however I am quite skeptical.
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Not a flame, but I think this is unfair to be so judgmental here. I understand your sentiment but all men break sooner or later. Read Faith Of My Fathers by John McCain if you want some more incite in this. One of the best strategies POWs have is to pretend that they are broken and provide misinformation. The guys who do what you state get killed right away as they appear to offer little value to their captors.
Who knows what can happen if time passes? Plenty of POWs have been able to escape their captors to offer some hope here that he could do the same. He is alone and will have to do what he has to do to survive. It may not be enough as he may still be killed but I won't judge him too harshly here as other better men have faltered too.
well if you can find me some cases of men captured in either OIF or OEF that managed to escape and get back to safety, i would love to see them.
we are talking about two totally different mindsets when it comes to the opposing forces. the Vietnamese had some honor in terms of POWs. not saying that they didn't torture or kill anyone in their custody, but they also didn't really use them as fodder either.
the current enemy captures our people, uses them wisely and then kills them. think about it, they aren't stupid. they put out a few videos like the one we keep seeing, knowing that the media will play the crap out of it and it will cause even more detest among the people in America for the war, which in turn puts pressure on politicians to want to leave the country of occupation. the public outcry for us to find our guy and get him home gets louder as the days go by. then they kill the guy, dump his body somewhere and then the public becomes outraged and blames the military for not doing enough to get him back.
like i said, they are smart. just about every POW after Lynch has been killed and recovered later. as soon as your captured by these people you should pretty much accept that you're going to die. a hard pill to swallow i know, but it's just the way it is. so knowing that the bad guys will just exploit you to harm the mission should be enough to make anyone spit in their faces.
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Just another example of where we men overly protect women. Let's face it a captured women is a bigger story than a captured man so there was probably more pressure for action. The fact is we may be gradually moving towards gender equality but we do not really see men and women as equals and, I don't see this changing any time soon. However, it could be also that in the cases you mentioned they had better intel for locating Jessica Lynch than the others.
which is one reason i don't care for women in the military. our natural instinct is to protect them, they can be quite the distraction believe it or not. i have other reasons, but no need to list them here. i will say this, there never will be gender equality, we aren't equal and we aren't the same.
as for the intel, it's out there, we just need to find it.
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