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Old 05-18-2009, 01:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone have any reccomendations? What tastes decent, price?

Also, exactly how do these things work?

Take a glass in the morning and one after working out...loads of water inbetween and work out regularly?
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ON 100% why protein double chocolate is absolutely the best whey protein out there. Many will most likely agree. I buy mine from the bodybuilding.com store.

On my workout days, I mix one scoop with about 8oz of water before working out. IMMEDIATELY after working out I mix 2 scoops with 12oz of water.

On my off days, I have about 2 throughout the day. One usually in the afternoon, and one in the evening (2 scoops for both).

There is no secret way how they "work." It's just protein. Protein helps build muscle. Since I'm still doing my bulk routine, I try to get around 200g of protein per day (90 or so comes from the whey protein).

I also drink about 8 bottles of water per day.
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Anyone have any reccomendations? What tastes decent, price?

Also, exactly how do these things work?

Take a glass in the morning and one after working out...loads of water inbetween and work out regularly?

depends on what you are trying to do...

if you are trying to get bigger(bulk) then as mentioned is a good way. alittle exsessive in my opinion, as whey is ..once again mention what builds muscle but like food whey must be broken down into amino acids, and those are what actually feed and help the muscle grow.

if you are looking to gain size i would get a good amino drink with a good delivery system (what i use is bcaa blast , made by sni.)

you can take this a few dif ways....

let me first start off by saying that there are three critical periods at which you body needs or will take in most/all supps.

A.. when you wake up
B.. before/during wk out
C.. up to an hr after a wk out.

when you wake up your body starts to gather and take in nutriants that are gonna get you going through the day, so a good protien drink is good, but like i said before your body still needs to break it down into aminos so it can be absorbed.(isnt gonna take long, like a meal . but still not emediat) a amino drink will be taken in imediatly due to the fact that theres no digestion process.

before a work out is also good to take in a protien drink as, as you are working out your body will hit fatige and start to repleish itself to keep going and the protien is there so it wont need to canobolize its own muscles to keep going.(if you take a protien drink before a wk out ...i suggest you do so about an hr before so your belly isnt full and you have already digested it.

after a work out up to an hr your body is taking in everything it can get its hands on as you have just used up all the energy you have stored up throught the day (ie food,) so you want to get a good amount of protien in your system so that you dont go into a catabolic state( feeding on your own muscle mass)

what id recomend is that you get a good whey protien(remember this...whey is whey) there isnt anything diferant between whey protien from the next. what makes a difrant whey protien is how its absorbed(ie delivery system.)

sorry back to my recomendation...

get a whey protine mix, also get yourself a good bcaa drink mix.

when you wake up, take the bcaa's and any other supps you are taking(creatine, pro hormones vitamines ect ect)

before a work out take (one or the other) protin drink or bcaa drink. i take my bcaa with my creatine 30 min before a wk out.( if you take the whey, take it about an hr before wk out.

after wk out up to an hr after protien drink. and dinner.


also after a work out its a good idea to get your isulin back up . you can do this by drinking some gatorade,red bull, or nything with some sugar.

the reason is after a work out you glucose/insulin has droped do to being depleted from physicle exurtion and isulin plays a key factor in muscle growth along with other important digestion/intake of supps.

as for taking a protien drink on off days ..i dont.(not to say that you shouldnt) (but supps arnt cheap, and youll find that there are more important time you can use your supps)and i eat 6k calories and on an off day im taking in enough protien to cover my intake .

remember this as well.....

what the drinks are desined for are for quick absorbtion. like i mention and was mentioned prev,. after or before a wk out are some key times when you will need to have imediate absorbtion, which reg food cannot give you. it takes your food anywere from an 1hr to three hrs to digest and sometimes longer. and after a wk out you only have a linited time that your body will take in anything and everything you give it.

hope this helps.

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Dear god there's a lot of different opinions on this and everyones is based on fact.

I've heard all of gary's arguements before and I've also heard all of them stated different. The easiest solution..... read read read. Whatever makes sense to you, do that.

For me.... Protein (supplements in general) = calories. I take as few supplements as I can to get through the day. I'm down to 1 Syntha 6 2 scoop shake 20 min after a work out and 1 dose of Super Charge 30 min before a work out. In the morning instead of supplements I eat a high protien breakfast. 3 hardboiled eggs (whites only), sausage, fresh fruit and rice. Then eating throughout the day gets me by on the rest of the stuff my body needs. I'm not at a professional level where I NEED to have a higher level of protien or any other particular substance. I just make it readily available when my body needs it is all. Most people will agree that right after a work out to help rebuild your glycogen levels you need some type of carb/protein drink. Thats the only time I take one.
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Dear god there's a lot of different opinions on this and everyones is based on fact.

I've heard all of gary's arguements before and I've also heard all of them stated different. The easiest solution..... read read read. Whatever makes sense to you, do that.

For me.... Protein (supplements in general) = calories. I take as few supplements as I can to get through the day. I'm down to 1 Syntha 6 2 scoop shake 20 min after a work out and 1 dose of Super Charge 30 min before a work out. In the morning instead of supplements I eat a high protien breakfast. 3 hardboiled eggs (whites only), sausage, fresh fruit and rice. Then eating throughout the day gets me by on the rest of the stuff my body needs. I'm not at a professional level where I NEED to have a higher level of protien or any other particular substance. I just make it readily available when my body needs it is all. Most people will agree that right after a work out to help rebuild your glycogen levels you need some type of carb/protein drink. Thats the only time I take one.

isnt that what i just said ....just in a few thousand less words

and i wouldnt say that im argueing in any of the post that i have posted in this section. im just tring to help others.

what do you mean there(in red)?

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Damn, thanks a lot for that info Garry. I went to GMC today and peeked around, so many freaking tubs in there that I didn't have any clue what I was looking at. Get a whey mixture though, got it.

I'm 172 @ 5'9ish. So I feel I could bulk up a little, but I hear to NOT do that till you can see your lower abdominal muscles. I cannot yet, so I figured I would wait until I lose a little more weight and then try to bulk up. Wrong idea?

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Damn, thanks a lot for that info Garry. I went to GMC today and peeked around, so many freaking tubs in there that I didn't have any clue what I was looking at. Get a whey mixture though, got it.

I'm 172 @ 5'9ish. So I feel I could bulk up a little, but I hear to NOT do that till you can see your lower abdominal muscles. I cannot yet, so I figured I would wait until I lose a little more weight and then try to bulk up. Wrong idea?

Thanks again

you can do either or. it really doesnt matter how you do it.

one is not better than the other.

there is always someone with a difrant aspect on how things are supposed to be done. just cause i tell you what i tell you doesnt mean that the other guy(no one in particular) isnt right as well.

fitness is always evolving new and difrant ways to achive the ultimate goal.

there are just the basics....then everyone takes it in there own direction.
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one thing tho...watch out for a protien that has you taking 2-4 scoops to get the desired amount of protien in a serving.

reason being.....its a gimmik that companies youse so you will go through the product quicker to buy more.

try to find a protien were you are getting 30-40g of protien per scoop. not one were you are taking 3 scoops to get 30g. it will save you money.
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I agree there are different methods, but I listen to people who actually ARE in shape and they're not e-lifters. You know what i'm talking about

Would you reccomend for my size to try to shape up a bit or just start taking protein now?
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I agree there are different methods, but I listen to people who actually ARE in shape and they're not e-lifters. You know what i'm talking about

Would you reccomend for my size to try to shape up a bit or just start taking protein now?

here is the thing. when i was a pt and i had a client that wanted to get big i always had to asses how there body would take to loosing wheight.

what i mean is if i had a youg fit 20-30yr old who was already in some kind of physical shape, i would go ahead and start wheight training with some minor cardio wkd in. why?...cause muscle burns fat.( 1 lb of muscle will burn 7 lbs of fat in a year) and if a person's lmm is high already it wont be hard to add more lmm and burn unwanted fat at the same time.

but if a person was the other way around i would do my best to get them to a point were i felt that i could do both at the same time. meaning loose a few pounds first or add more cardio/plyometrics into the routine.


i dont know what you look like or what you lmm to your bf is but if you are only 170+#s and my height, i wouldnt think you would be in the second catagory.

i think youd be fine wheight training and doin 1-2 days of cardio.


but cardio can affect how you put lmm on. if you have a high motabolizm and go past your target heart rate you are going to be going catobolic(its been awhile ,so i could have the wrong term) but you will be burning your lmm if you go outside of your tgt heart rate.

i wish i still new the math to get your target heart rate but if you go to any gym with trainers theyd be able to tell you.

its somethin like your age x 220 divide by somethin. hehehe sorry.

mine is like 170 and im 28

you can take protien any time. for me money is tight and i only take it when i really need to.

meal replacement drinks are were you can start to add unwanted #s. due to the fact some have high fat counts and other ingrediants that you just dont want alot of.

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really to be honest id get both . a whey protien and a bcaa drink.

protien will run you anywere from 25-50$ depending on the size jug. wether it be a 2.5 lb or a 5lb

bcaa drink mix will run you anywere from 30-45$.

my protien is called pro whey made by sni in a 5lb jug ....48.95$ (but i get a discout on both)

and my bcaa mix is bcaa blast made by sni...... 38.95$

there are other bcaa drinks out there and some that are plain bcaa powders that you can mix with cranberry juice or whatever. for along time i used to get the plain powder and just scoop it in my mouth with some watter and swallow. i dont recomend that as it taste really bad. but it is cheaper.

if you do it right you should be able to drag out your protien and bcaa drinks for about 6-8 weeks. depending how often you wk out and how often you take them.

like i said i only take mine when i need to.

i dont take them on my off days (sat ,sun,wed)

but once you start a routine youll find out when you will want to take them.

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Cool, well if you think a whey protein wouldn't be too early, i'll pick some up tomorrow for my work outs. I only cardio twice a week, have a relatively normal metabolism...more weight oriented so I hope I can gain some size.
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Cool, well if you think a whey protein wouldn't be too early, i'll pick some up tomorrow for my work outs. I only cardio twice a week, have a relatively normal metabolism...more weight oriented so I hope I can gain some size.

youll be fine.

just make sure to save yourself some cash by looking at how many severing equal the amout of protien said in a serving. you want one that will give you all the protien in a single scoop.

and when you do your cardio ...find out your tgt hear rate its very important.
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