I am modding this winter and already have my parts list planned out. I was wondering what kind of numbers to expect and how easy it will be to tune. I would also like to know what kind of tuning would help out most. It will be a daily driver and I would like to have a "fun" tune and a "stock or daily duty" tune. I do have a local friend who would be able to do all of the work that I cannot figure out. My mods that would affect tuning should be as follows.
Mpx 3" turboback no cat
AEM Short ram intake
Mopar BOV plate (came with car)
stock turbo (no porting or anything)
AEM UEGO
AGP WGA
Stage 2 injectors (open for better suggestions)
Coolingmist stage 2 Meth/water kit running about 35-40% meth
Mpx BFMIC
Stage 0 PCM (again, open to suggestions)
Fuel return line kit
Oil catch can
Open to suggestions to better my setup (within reason) as I am on a bit of a budget. Nothing is set in stone as I haven't ordered anything yet. I do know that I want to keep the turbo stock.
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I am modding this winter and already have my parts list planned out. I was wondering what kind of numbers to expect and how easy it will be to tune. I would also like to know what kind of tuning would help out most. It will be a daily driver and I would like to have a "fun" tune and a "stock or daily duty" tune. I do have a local friend who would be able to do all of the work that I cannot figure out. My mods that would affect tuning should be as follows.
Mpx 3" turboback no cat
AEM Short ram intake
Mopar BOV plate (came with car)
stock turbo (no porting or anything)
AEM UEGO
AGP WGA
Stage 2 injectors (open for better suggestions)
Coolingmist stage 2 Meth/water kit running about 35-40% meth
Mpx BFMIC
Stage 0 PCM (again, open to suggestions)
Fuel return line kit
Oil catch can
Open to suggestions to better my setup (within reason) as I am on a bit of a budget. Nothing is set in stone as I haven't ordered anything yet. I do know that I want to keep the turbo stock.
Well, how much power are you looking for??? How much of a budget?? How much boost do you want??
IMHO, I would go with the FM WGA instead of the agp, from what I hear, the agp has horrible PTB. I have the FM and I have no such issues with the annoying PTB. You may want to get rid of that sneeze plate, it probably leaks.. The diablo will deffenitly be a good tuner for you, but if your going to do all of those mods, a custom dyno tune on it would be the "Best" power for ya when running the meth..
Looking to get 300ish. I want the most I can squeeze out of the stock turbo. My budget is around $4-5k depending on how much of my college I have to pay for this fall. If I get most of my scholarships it should be an even $5k. Again, I would like to play with the stock turbo and not go any bigger until I am sure I can handle a 300hp FWD car. Don't wanna maim myself at the track or around town with a car that is too much for me to handle. Big turbo may be in the budget a couple years down the road. I have a dyno accessible to me that is only 5 miles away and many (at least 15, half of which are very knowledgable) local SRT guys here in Toledo that are more than willing to help with tuning. One of which (KNIGHT) uses the DSP on his car. If you have ever heard of Dasmopar parts, the guy lives a fifteen minute drive from me and is very active locally.
Looking to get 300ish. I want the most I can squeeze out of the stock turbo. My budget is around $4-5k depending on how much of my college I have to pay for this fall. If I get most of my scholarships it should be an even $5k. Again, I would like to play with the stock turbo and not go any bigger until I am sure I can handle a 300hp FWD car. Don't wanna maim myself at the track or around town with a car that is too much for me to handle. Big turbo may be in the budget a couple years down the road. I have a dyno accessible to me that is only 5 miles away and many (at least 15, half of which are very knowledgable) local SRT guys here in Toledo that are more than willing to help with tuning. One of which (KNIGHT) uses the DSP on his car. If you have ever heard of Dasmopar parts, the guy lives a fifteen minute drive from me and is very active locally.
...sorry for the long post.
well to get 300HP out of the stock turbo, its going to take a good amount of mods. Then you need to get the power to the ground, if your going to track the car. You seem to have plenty of cash, but do your HW on your mods before you spend the cash. The biggest thing on these cars is not how much power you have, its how it transfers to the ground. You could have the 300HP car but just spin 1-2 gear and do nothing.. I would try to do the basic power mods like exhaust, WGA, DSP, BFMIC, and then you could go from there.. Your going to need to tune for the meth with the diablo though. You should already have that catch can on the car, when you pull out your stock IC, youll see why .
I say the biggest thing though is the traction issue.. If your not picky about the vibrations and noises, then get solid MMs. There are plenty of threads that discuss the MMs, so just do a quick search..
You should already have that catch can on the car, when you pull out your stock IC, youll see why .
I say the biggest thing though is the traction issue.. If your not picky about the vibrations and noises, then get solid MMs. There are plenty of threads that discuss the MMs, so just do a quick search..
I know why. I Already have oil all over the place in my driveway from the stupid valve cover lines going into my cold pipe and then dripping from what used to be a loose clamp. The clamp is tight, but it still was dripping from somewhere. I am already getting the AGP solid motor mounts, just didn't think that was something that needed to be mentioned as it doesn't affect the actual tuning of the DSP. I do have S1 springs if that helps at all with traction, and I am looking into drag radials, because I don't wanna snap an axle on slicks.
I know why. I Already have oil all over the place in my driveway from the stupid valve cover lines going into my cold pipe and then dripping from what used to be a loose clamp. The clamp is tight, but it still was dripping from somewhere. I am already getting the AGP solid motor mounts, just didn't think that was something that needed to be mentioned as it doesn't affect the actual tuning of the DSP. I do have S1 springs if that helps at all with traction, and I am looking into drag radials, because I don't wanna snap an axle on slicks.
Believe it or not, your more likely to snap an axle on drag radials...
The soft sidewall of a slick will take a lot of the "shock" out of the driveline... simply because the wall of the slick will twist.. "wrinkle" a bit.. which takes some of the shock out of it. That, and you are less likely to get into wheel hop with a slick.
Also, another thing you may want to consider. If your only shooting for a bit over 300.. you will not need a return-line with those stage 2's. Just have Nemo, or someone like that make up a tune for the car.. that will take care of the rich idle issues that you would usually have. Which, is the major reason most big turbo, big injector SRT's use return-lines. They drop the base pressure down from 58-59 psi, down to about 43 usually. Then use a fuel pressure regulator that is boost referenced to bring the fuel pressure up when the car is under boost.
Im just thinking, a tune for those stage 2's.. with your goals.. might be a better option than buying a return-line.
ONLY a bit over 300 hp on the stock turboWhat are you shooting for 350, man maybe i should get some DW750's that would add 50whp easy to Nemo's tune...good luck its not as easy as my buddie Will here makes it sound....well if you get on the right dyno its pretty easy
WTF are you talking about??? I was simply mentioning a "tune" for fueling purposes.. not that a tune would add a shitload of power.......
I agree that you will not need a return line with those mods. Actually you will be running rich as it is. When I was running those mods with stage 2 injectors and stock fuel pressure, I was pulling 15% and it was still on the rich side.
If it makes you feel better you can do the fuel pump rewire, that might make tuning more consistant.
Looking to get 300ish. I want the most I can squeeze out of the stock turbo. My budget is around $4-5k depending on how much of my college I have to pay for this fall. If I get most of my scholarships it should be an even $5k. Again, I would like to play with the stock turbo and not go any bigger until I am sure I can handle a 300hp FWD car. Don't wanna maim myself at the track or around town with a car that is too much for me to handle. Big turbo may be in the budget a couple years down the road. I have a dyno accessible to me that is only 5 miles away and many (at least 15, half of which are very knowledgable) local SRT guys here in Toledo that are more than willing to help with tuning. One of which (KNIGHT) uses the DSP on his car. If you have ever heard of Dasmopar parts, the guy lives a fifteen minute drive from me and is very active locally.
...sorry for the long post.
dude for 4 to 5 grand just buy a turbo kit and you will be making well over 300
dude for 4 to 5 grand just buy a turbo kit and you will be making well over 300
Would rather start out slow. Thinking 50trim next year. I can always save what I don't spend for next year. I wanna do some research before buying a bigger turbo and I think it would be a good challenge to try and squeeze everything i can out of the stocker.
Does the D-Sport give enough adjustment that I would not need a MBC to quickly change boost levels. How easy is it to switch between different tunes with the DSP?
Does the D-Sport give enough adjustment that I would not need a MBC to quickly change boost levels. How easy is it to switch between different tunes with the DSP?
Pretty easy for me..
Just involves clicking the new tune and cycling the key and thats it.. About 1-2 min maybe..
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What can I expect?
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What are you shooting for 350, man maybe i should get some DW750's that would add 50whp easy to Nemo's tune...good luck its not as easy as my buddie Will here makes it sound....well if you get on the right dyno its pretty easy
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