The only real way to say it works or not requires a more scientific approach that really does not justify itself. In reality making any claims about a tune being more fuel efficient vs another without a controlled environment for testing is absolutely misleading. A simple 1 degree in air temperature can change the way the pcm behaves.
I agree with duster that this essentially a waste of money unless my previous points were addressed. But I also agree with ptp that if they want to sell it and somebody will buy it then there is a market for a seemingly useless product...
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i agree and the only way to see it work is simply the wideband gauge should show the close loop AFR numbers change from 14.3 to 14.7 to a more "MPG" number like in the case of my friends supra with the AEM EMS we changed it and it shows 15.0 AFR - 16.0 AFR etc.
tuners like they show dyno charts proving the tune makes power there has to be some way of proving there "MPG" tunes.
Thats pretty much the definition of consumer fraud.
Just because people are stupid enough to buy worthless crap(no offense letxen3), its still illegal for a company to sell it to them.
Interesting, but is it really illegal to make a useless product? I have a hard time believing that but I do think misrepresenting a product by baking a false claim could get you into hot water with the FTC or others but products like the "Turbonator" and "Air Razor" are being sold and they are completely bogus products that claim to increase fuel mileage and hp when they do not.
Better fuel economy can easily be achieved by taking it easy with your right foot, no question about that but it seems as though the way a lot of people that own these cars drive the only way to help them get better mileage is to create a tune that limits their ability to be idiots.
Better fuel economy can easily be achieved by taking it easy with your right foot, no question about that but it seems as though the way a lot of people that own these cars drive the only way to help them get better mileage is to create a tune that limits their ability to be idiots.
If you trust my judgement, Demand to get your money back IMMEDIATLEY!
Well I guess its a good thing he didn't get the tune from us.
Duster, your a huge help here in the DSP section of the forums and I even have stated thanks on several occations.... but, you only have your opinions and judgments about the product. Why are you so hell bent against something like this. Sure you can pull your WGA arm off the manifold, but what happens when you want to start racing or get on it a bit. Do you have any idea how hard its going to be to slip that WGA arm back on the turbo when its glowing hot? VS taking the 3 minutes to flash the PCM really quick with the DSP?
I am not going to "sell" anyone anything for economy tunes, if a customers asks for it, I will provide one for them its as easy as that. I have asked what your problem was with my in another thread and you stated that you were going to back off a bit. I am waiting for this to happen.
Last, you state that this is comsumer fraud. If you buy asprin and it doesn't fix your pain, does that mean it didn't work? Is that fraud? Seriously, several companies (shamwow) make a product that people don't need. I don't see this tune being something that people don't want and/or need. We as a company offer it out there for those that want to buy it (if we decide to sell it), thats the great thing about free enterprise, you sell what you believe works or offers a benifit to the customer... and let the customer figure out if they need it.
I hope this clears any issues up that are between us, if not I would ask you to take this to PM's so it can be resolved.
Sorry guys, I was not looking to start a pissing contest. I just wanted to know if it was possible. Everyone has valid points and good ideas, but I like the PTP tune because I would have to remove the strut bar before I could even get to the wg, and if I did let someone else drive my car,(I have watched my dad burn out down the road, when I let him use my car,cause I used his truck) it would be a good way to have piece of mind!!!
since John is offering it for free its worth a try.
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Sorry guys, I was not looking to start a pissing contest. I just wanted to know if it was possible. Everyone has valid points and good ideas, but I like the PTP tune because I would have to remove the strut bar before I could even get to the wg, and if I did let someone else drive my car,(I have watched my dad burn out down the road, when I let him use my car,cause I used his truck) it would be a good way to have piece of mind!!!
since John is offering it for free its worth a try.
You have no reason to applogize, the thread was not ruined by you and you had a legit question that needed to be answered, not critisized (sp).
Removing the MAX amount of boost from the "Stock" tune would be about the same deal without getting your hands dirty..
That is all its worth to you. AGAIN, you are not everyone, what might be a value to one person may not be to the next. Quit pushing your opinions on everyone as your solution is the best, let them decide if they want it or not.
We do more than just remove boost from the WGDC%'s. There are timing adjustments and we mod the TQ tables to meet the new lower boost levels.
How much is your time worth? Everyone's time is worth something, maybe they don't want to get their hands dirty, maybe some of them have the stock heat shield back on the car, maybe you don't know everything that every customer wants.... neither do I and that is why I would never "IMPLY" that one way is better than the next. This is an option, that customers can "choose" to use or not to use.
Duster, I agree with John, you are very helpful in the DS forum but you need to stop trolling through Johns posts/threads. John has proven his ability to tune the DSP many times in the short time the software has been out. Ever person with the software has their own methods/opinions. And in regards to the gas saver tune, it IS worthwhile. Like he said, disconnecting the WGA arm is a pain in the ass for most people, especially versus flashing a simple tune. Killing the WGDC would eliminate the need to control the right foot, it would make it much easier to not get into boost. Same with the tq tables. You do have a point, its probably not worth paying much for, but I wouldn't give it away. Maybe in conjunction with a real tune or something like that. I don't see John's approach towards the gas saver tune at all as taking advantage of people. He is simply putting something out there as an alternative.
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313whp and 409wtq Corrected
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