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Old 10-20-2009, 06:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default dsp canned tune and high gear lean issue

so have a tune from a vendor

doing a run threw all gears wide open i dont see to many issues maybe a little lean 12.2 up top and a lil rich 3rd gear 3200 rpms 10.2 - 4500rpms 10.8

1. doing 3rd gear pulls i can not adjust the fuel leaner ive tried a combo of adding more boost at 3k and pulling fuel to no avail i had it set once but had to redo some tuning and havent been able to get back since.

2. on the highway at about 3200 rpms- 3500rpms in 4th with turbo spooling and than nailing it starts to pull bogs runs lean (at one point instant 14-i let off )majority 12.2 and up before i let off through the rpms which is at aboput 4500 rpms i will also get knock to the lean issue now my boost according to gauge will read 22pds
and no compressor surge
dign pull from beginning to end it hits nowhere this high in boost!

i have 45 pulled and max fuel added to stock fuel system(no im not trying to run that boost

im also running p1188 code which coems up no matter what

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2004 stage 0, full 3inch tbe, fuel pump rewire, monitoring devices,sri, bfmic,62mm tb, fm wga,

before i was running a slight preload roughly one turn but took out the laod and still same issue

ne ideas can ne one look at my tune tell me whats jacked up maybe im jacked up i dunno- friend has same car an 03
running roughly the same setup no dsp no tune stage 1 and no probs and his fuels perfect 11.4s across the board
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Clear the LTFT by disconnecting the battery and recheck the A/F.

Be sure ALL your solenoids and vac lines are hooked up like stock., especially the Red and white line.

12.2 isn't a big deal if its not Knocking.


You need to post a datalog. use the PIDs listed in the sticky.
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Quote: Originally Posted by mikes04rt4 View Post
so have a tune from a vendor

doing a run threw all gears wide open i dont see to many issues maybe a little lean 12.2 up top and a lil rich 3rd gear 3200 rpms 10.2 - 4500rpms 10.8

1. doing 3rd gear pulls i can not adjust the fuel leaner ive tried a combo of adding more boost at 3k and pulling fuel to no avail i had it set once but had to redo some tuning and havent been able to get back since.

2. on the highway at about 3200 rpms- 3500rpms in 4th with turbo spooling and than nailing it starts to pull bogs runs lean (at one point instant 14-i let off )majority 12.2 and up before i let off through the rpms which is at aboput 4500 rpms i will also get knock to the lean issue now my boost according to gauge will read 22pds
and no compressor surge
dign pull from beginning to end it hits nowhere this high in boost!

i have 45 pulled and max fuel added to stock fuel system(no im not trying to run that boost

im also running p1188 code which coems up no matter what

the mods


2004 stage 0, full 3inch tbe, fuel pump rewire, monitoring devices,sri, bfmic,62mm tb, fm wga,

before i was running a slight preload roughly one turn but took out the laod and still same issue

ne ideas can ne one look at my tune tell me whats jacked up maybe im jacked up i dunno- friend has same car an 03
running roughly the same setup no dsp no tune stage 1 and no probs and his fuels perfect 11.4s across the board

The code is what keys me to the problem. Sounds like you have a faulty tip solenoid and that could cause all your grief. Check that out and get back to us on the tune.

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Old 10-21-2009, 08:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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kk will do well have red line hooked up dont have a white line and blue line is taken off and capped as well. and as far as the solenoid did u mean solenoid or tip sensor- and how do i check it thx in advance

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How can you have the red line hooked up if you don't have a red line? Run ALL vacuum lines and solenoids as the car comes from the factory. That is what the DiabloSport tunes are created for.
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lol srry i fixed dont have a white line ill try the blue line
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Run ALL vacuum lines, not just random ones. The white line is the TIP sensor if I remember correctly. Seriously, just do it right.
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if you don't have the OEM lines any more, can you use the correct size vacuum hose to connect the solenoids to the surge valve, wga, TIP line & sensor?

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I don't see why not, as long as you get good lines that won't collapse.
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well reset the comp and doing blue line today we shall see how it pans out still gttng p1188 but now im also running leans as hell prob due to ltfts cleared with the preloaded wastegate taken out of preload will update once blue line is back in
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Quote: Originally Posted by mikes04rt4 View Post
well reset the comp and doing blue line today we shall see how it pans out still gttng p1188 but now im also running leans as hell prob due to ltfts cleared with the preloaded wastegate taken out of preload will update once blue line is back in

You need to have the TIP sensor hooked up in order for the car to run properly. So you need the red line and the white line hooked up. If the code doesn't go away, then you need to check the tip "solenoid" and make sure that its working (only way to really check it, is to get a new one). I suspect that the missing lines are the reason for your code issues. You shouldn't need to run the black, blue or pink line if your running an aftermarket BOV.
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well im running the blue one i dont have a white line its an 04 i figured my mmysterious lean issue i believe im pulling 15 perc at 3k for lowere gears it doesnt pull fuel at 3k in 2nd n 3rd about 10.5 . therefore i high gear around 3200 and romping its actually trying to pull the fuel out until it gets to the next rpm range than it hits 11.4 and stays there so


but as far as the vac lines go its never happened until ive gotten this canned tune or prob since ive ran aftermarket wga
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Quote: Originally Posted by mikes04rt4 View Post
well im running the blue one i dont have a white line its an 04 i figured my mmysterious lean issue i believe im pulling 15 perc at 3k for lowere gears it doesnt pull fuel at 3k in 2nd n 3rd about 10.5 . therefore i high gear around 3200 and romping its actually trying to pull the fuel out until it gets to the next rpm range than it hits 11.4 and stays there so


but as far as the vac lines go its never happened until ive gotten this canned tune or prob since ive ran aftermarket wga

Did you let them know you had an aftermarket WGA when you hooked the canned tune up? If you are on PCM control and don't have the TIP sensor hooked up your just asking for problems. Please, get the lines on where the belong or let us know how your currently controlling boost and others things as such, thanks.
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alrighty well holy jeebus white line to the tip solenoid well it would seem that bad boy is not there if im correct solenoide number two(the center one ) should read from top to bottom( pink blue white)- pink goes to bov blue goes to teed in to turbo on the bottom. white goes to the the nipple on the manifold roght after the tb correct me if im wrong.

srry for the misconfusion all diagrams never show the white line and i never had it so didnt see thnks for the help will fix once someone chimes in on placement


i took out fuel on 3k range 15 perc and it would never adjust in 3rd gear id run 10.0s all day well it would seem that in 4 5 gear at 3kish from a cruz and goin wot it actually adjusts and gives me my lean issue well pulled that fuel and seing more stable afrs but running rich as hell until 4200 rpms

but who knows gnna fix tip solenoid and see how it does and report back and hopefully someone can learn from my mistake

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Quote: Originally Posted by mikes04rt4 View Post
if im correct solenoide number two(the center one ) should read from top to bottom( pink blue white)- pink goes to bov blue goes to teed in to turbo on the bottom. white goes to the the nipple on the manifold right after the tb correct me if im wrong.

You're wrong



TIP solenoid-RED solenoid ,Red blob of paint on solenoid and Red seal on wiring connector
B = White---To TIP sensor
A = RED----Hose/pipe from IC to Tb
C = nothing

Surge Soleniod Blue blob of paint on solenoid and Blue seal on wiring connector
A= PINK
B= Blue--*pretty sure my car never had a Blue line
C= Black


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