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Old 10-10-2009, 09:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So I went to the track last friday and it was pretty much the death of my stock clutch. Now I go wot and the revs go up real fast and the car doesnt go anywhere and its showing like 6kr and there was zero before. So is the clutch slipping showing up as knock? Its fine for daily driving but wot is useless now, going to save up for a new clutch during winter. Havent been able to get a log of it yet.
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So I went to the track last friday and it was pretty much the death of my stock clutch. Now I go wot and the revs go up real fast and the car doesnt go anywhere and its showing like 6kr and there was zero before. So is the clutch slipping showing up as knock? Its fine for daily driving but wot is useless now, going to save up for a new clutch during winter. Havent been able to get a log of it yet.

Yes clutch slip will show up as knock, seen this on several set ups.
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Lol John you were right. I ALWAYS had 6* STKR until I got rid of the slipping stock clutch. Now I have 0.0 LOL
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Mine slips if I punch it at 3,000 RPMs, but doesn't show any KR. Probably because of the meth though.
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Meth or anything really wouldn't get rid of clutch slipping induced knock. Even having perfect AFRs and everything it will still show up.
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Then why don't I knock when mine slips?

People said the same thing about motor mounts, balance shafts and all kinds of stuff that doesn't make me knock...
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I don't know man. I think its kindof a random thing. Just because your clutch is slipping doesn't mean it will show up as knock?
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I can see how it would attribute to knock, but the only thing I can say is that on MY specific car it doesn't knock. Either way slipping clutches suck bad
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Ya, it seems like mine did it even when the clutch was not noticeably slipping. Like John at PTP said, if it slips for 100 rpms you might not notice it, but the PCM thinks you're knocking.
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Mine slips if I punch it at 3,000 RPMs, but doesn't show any KR. Probably because of the meth though.

I have meth too. Checked it and it is working, but still showing lots of knock.
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What's your mixture? On windshield washer fluid alone I knocked like 3-4. But when I got water and mixed it with real meth it knocked 0

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Be aware guys that the Knock that shows up when RPMs go crazy usually isn't real knock. Its the PCM Torque Managment freaking out and pulling timing.

I think RPM has to exceed a certain RPM/s. So it would depend on how bad the clutch is slipping.

Log pids: Desired Torque and Turbo Total TRQ desired,,they're both under Torque Managment. If both of these PIDs tank during the clutch slipping, the KR is just the TM pulling timing.

soon2bsrt, check it out and tell me if im wrong.
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Mine slips if I punch it at 3,000 RPMs, but doesn't show any KR. Probably because of the meth though.

How long does it slip for? Can you show a data low of this "slip", are you sure its not tire spin?
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Be aware guys that the Knock that shows up when RPMs go crazy usually isn't real knock. Its the PCM Torque Managment freaking out and pulling timing.

I think RPM has to exceed a certain RPM/s. So it would depend on how bad the clutch is slipping.

Log pids: Desired Torque and Turbo Total TRQ desired,,they're both under Torque Managment. If both of these PIDs tank during the clutch slipping, the KR is just the TM pulling timing.

soon2bsrt, check it out and tell me if im wrong.

Correct, also a slipping clutch will make noise when it finally "hooks", causing knock and even sometimes show a missfire (really bad slipping clutch that slows down the motor then allows it to slip again).
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Be aware guys that the Knock that shows up when RPMs go crazy usually isn't real knock. Its the PCM Torque Managment freaking out and pulling timing.

I think RPM has to exceed a certain RPM/s. So it would depend on how bad the clutch is slipping.

Log pids: Desired Torque and Turbo Total TRQ desired,,they're both under Torque Managment. If both of these PIDs tank during the clutch slipping, the KR is just the TM pulling timing.

soon2bsrt, check it out and tell me if im wrong.

Will get a log soon. Went to go out today and it was pouring rain.
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