I contacted Flame as far as late 2008 at the first sign of friction. I've since then only been harassed by the moderation staff who seem to be as efficient as a robot when it comes to: A. Issuing warnings for rules that are added and modified as they see fit. B. Deleting posts without proper reason or debate.
I've made the first move to get the situation resolved. You now have my phone number and email address. Please proceed to contact me in the professional manner that is expected from a staff member at an organization dealing with a prospective client/customer.
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Are you kidding me?
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Let me show you what's wrong with this comment.
You question my ability to contact your staff. Is this how you treat everyone that inquires about the main source of income for your organization? A little bit of respect and tact will get you far.
I'm missing the point you're making about a time line. A year from what to what? Please make clear statements when dealing with dates, including a starting and ending point from a specific event.
You just pointed out that I am wasting my time contacting any of your 30+ staff members since Nadeem is the only person who can answer my questions in regards to becoming a vendor. Also, if he doesn't personally handle it, then who do I need to contact? This is business we're talking about. I don't discuss money via PM or threads. I consider email and phone calls the most effective method of communication when it comes to dealing with my business' financial decisions.
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PM you? I'm telling you right here, right now. Email me info on becoming a vendor to juan@snailmotorsports.com.
Does anyone else see a problem with this? Am I not being clear enough here? I gotta send a PM to an individual when I'm clearly stating my intentions in a public area where more than one staff member can help me?
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Thank you for sending me the info via PM. Although I have to admit, this whole thing is a joke. You basically just sent me a PM with an email address to another random person I have to contact. Although more useful than any other attempt made by JohnnyB, it's still ridiculous that anyone has to go through this many hoops to get an answer to such a simple question.
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I do not see any attitude on my second post. As you clearly stated you had no knowledge of the situation before this thread. This is due to a lack of communication amongst your staff.
My posts are professional and to the point. If they are taken the wrong way it is most likely because the reader is not aware of the entire situation and clearly demonstrates a more sensitive personality than my own.
I've taken a moment to quote your posts and bold the parts in which you are, in fact, displaying some rather blatant attitude.
Let's take a quick moment to review:
1. You claim to have contacted "several moderators and junior staff members in the past in regards to a couple of issues", also claiming that you never heard back.
2. Two Jr. Admins reply, stating they haven't heard anything about this (and neither have I).
3. You claim to have contacted Flame in late 2008 "at the first sign of friction", and imply that since contacting him about this "friction" you've been harassed by the "moderation staff". Furthermore, you say we're as efficient as robots (which could be taken as a good thing, because robots are damn efficient and consistent) when it comes to issuing warnings and deleting posts.
4. The remainder of this thread is comprised of you having more attitude and demanding attention/information about becoming a vendor.
Now, I don't know about you, but I have no clue as to what you're rambling about, other than the fact that you want to be a vendor and need more information. The assumptions you seem to be making:
1. The entire moderator staff are aware of your desire to become a vendor and the "vague" issues you mention in this thread.
2. The entire moderator staff are harassing you, but only since you contacted Flame late in 2008.
I'm glad you want to be a vendor. I hope that gets taken care of quickly for you and your business does well; honestly. But there's no conspiracy here within the moderation staff of this site to ignore you, harass you or otherwise do anything to you, specifically. I promise. Creating this thread obviously got the attention you wanted, and I'm sorry you think e-mailing a specific person/e-mail address is "ridiculous and jumping through hoops" but perhaps you can provide the owners of this site with some feedback about becoming a vendor and acquiring information on becoming a vendor. That's where your advice about tact and respect would come into play. Providing that feedback with tact and respect might make it easier for future potential vendors to get more information and be set up.
Stowaway gave you a Warning not an infraction, which explained in the message you received as to why you received that warning. If you had responded to his PM about wanting vendor status then I am 100% positive that he would have given it to you.
Exact pm you received:
Message to User:
So you believe the situation was handled in the best possible way? Do you not see the clear advantage to approaching the issue in the way I suggested?
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So you believe the situation was handled in the best possible way? Do you not see the clear advantage to approaching the issue in the way I suggested?
If we approached every non-vendor link warning/infraction we've encountered your way, we would have quite a lot of useless pm's sent out as not every person that has/had non-vendor links work for those companies. Also, as Stow said we are volunteers and don't always have the time to sit here and actually check who works for the linked vendor so that we can send a pm with the vendor info.
4TEHW, you provide no useful information on this thread. Is this the kind of behavior that is expected out of a moderator? I really just cannot see how some of you guys get away with this kind of behavior man.
Clearly there is a huge gap of communication between the owners and the moderation staff of this forum. I'll make sure to make this very clear in my email to the address kindly provided to stowaway which I would like to once again thank you for.
If we approached every non-vendor link warning/infraction we've encountered your way, we would have quite a lot of useless pm's sent out as not every person that has/had non-vendor links work for those companies. Also, as Stow said we are volunteers and don't always have the time to sit here and actually check who works for the linked vendor so that we can send a pm with the vendor info.
This was simply a suggestion. You do not seem to consider any members of this forums valuable enough to accept any feedback. That is simply a shame.
Simply because the moderation staff is composed of volunteers does not excuse performing a mediocre job.
This was simply a suggestion. You do not seem to consider any members of this forums valuable enough to accept any feedback. That is simply a shame.
It is obvious you are satisfied with performing a mediocre job. I can understand this since you have already mentioned the moderation staff is composed of volunteers.
Thanks for putting words in our mouths. Posts like this are exactly what 4TEHW are talking about. You think that as a possible vendor on this site that you can talk to the site staff like we are idiots? I will make sure to point Nadeem to this site when he considers your vendor status.
4TEHW, you provide no useful information on this thread. Is this the kind of behavior that is expected out of a moderator? I really just cannot see how some of you guys get away with this kind of behavior man.
Clearly there is a huge gap of communication between the owners and the moderation staff of this forum. I'll make sure to make this very clear in my email to the address kindly provided to stowaway which I would like to once again thank you for.
Useful information is subjective, I suppose. I'm trying to show you a thing or two about communication and interaction with the moderation staff. You've made some pretty harsh accusations of the entire moderation staff, stating that we've all harassed and ignored you since late 2008. Furthermore, everything you've stated at this point in time is simply a claim, as there is zero evidence to support any of it. We are more than happy to provide you with the information on becoming a vendor, as stowaway has done, but it's obvious there's more to this thread than simply wanting information on becoming a vendor. I'm trying to get to the bottom of that and explain our position as the moderation staff.
If you find this useless, then so be it, but my intention is to clear the air and get us communicating more effectively about whatever issues you have.
Thanks for putting words in our mouths. Posts like this are exactly what 4TEHW are talking about. You think that as a possible vendor on this site that you can talk to the site staff like we are idiots? I will make sure to point Nadeem to this site when he considers your vendor status.
I will appreciate this and will take your behavior into consideration when making a decision on becoming a supporting vendor on this site.
So we can agree that the text under my username makes it seem as if I have an infraction, correct?
Yes, to those who don't fully understand how the infraction/warning system works.
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I will appreciate this and will take your behavior into consideration when making a decision on becoming a supporting vendor on this site.
That is fine with me. We don't need a vendor on here who has no issues with being disrespectful and expecting the site staff to stand by doing nothing about it while it's being done.
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Although more useful than any other attempt made by JohnnyB, it's still ridiculous that anyone has to go through this many hoops to get an answer to such a simple question.
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