You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earners up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
Who has the exact opposite ideology?
PS: Yes I'm aware the the Reverend William John Henry Boetcker was supposedly the original author of these statements.
the strong are getting stronger and the poor are getting poorer.
you CAN help the poor by destroying the rich.
you CAN strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
I know you guys are trying to understand the dangers of socialism, but that's not what we're facing so its a moot point.
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How, on God's green Earth, does bringing someone down (ANYONE DOWN) bring others up?
How can you strengthen someone who is weak by weakening those who are in a position to help?
The liberal ideology is mind-boggling.
How did I know some random was going to call me a liberal or socialist because they don't have basic understanding...
Because those who are 'in a position to help' are the very ones that caused this crisis for their own gain. The rich are taking this country down on purpose. I'm talking about the real rich, not the faggot who started some lame company down my street.
any class system that transfers wealth through law never transfers the wealth to the lower class. It is always used to transfer the wealth from the poor/middle class to the wealthy, creating a 2 class party.
The so called 'conservatives' lack of understanding of how this world works is mind boggling.
Hey I'm not the one making him out to be a compassionate bleeding heart liberal. The sooner you conservatives understand he's no more a liberal than any other president and that he's out to make slaves of the middle and lower class for the benefit of the RICH, the sooner you'll start to get a basic handle on politics.
you love to whine about socialism but you dont even know what socialism really is. it is a mechanism to bring down, keep down and control the middle class in order to transfer wealth and power to the rich. It is not and never was meant to be some attempt at a humanitarian system of government. Get a clue.
Hey I'm not the one making him out to be a compassionate bleeding heart liberal. The sooner you conservatives understand he's no more a liberal than any other president and that he's out to make slaves of the middle and lower class for the benefit of the RICH, the sooner you'll start to get a basic handle on politics.
you love to whine about socialism but you dont even know what socialism really is. it is a mechanism to bring down, keep down and control the middle class in order to transfer wealth and power to the rich. It is not and never was meant to be some attempt at a humanitarian system of government. Get a clue.
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I disagree.
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.
I think what you described sounds more like capitalism. YOU CAN help the poor by destorying the rich. However, the benefits are short term and the long term damage will cost much more.
Socialism, Capitalism, who gives a flying rat's ass. They are all the same in the eye of the beholder. I think the ones that are to blame are the extremely wealthy organizations. The powerful organizations. The Fannie Mae's, and Constellation Energy's of the Country. They had a shit ton of power, and could have done a lot of good but could not look at the long term.
No one can look at the long term, because elections are so frequent. I dont know if there is an alternative that would work, but I am just saying. When you only have to worry about what you are doing on an election year (Gov. Martin O'Malley - Dem.(MD)) what good can you really do?
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Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.
I think what you described sounds more like capitalism. YOU CAN help the poor by destorying the rich. However, the benefits are short term and the long term damage will cost much more.
Socialism, Capitalism, who gives a flying rat's ass. They are all the same in the eye of the beholder. I think the ones that are to blame are the extremely wealthy organizations. The powerful organizations. The Fannie Mae's, and Constellation Energy's of the Country. They had a shit ton of power, and could have done a lot of good but could not look at the long term.
No one can look at the long term, because elections are so frequent. I dont know if there is an alternative that would work, but I am just saying. When you only have to worry about what you are doing on an election year (Gov. Martin O'Malley - Dem.(MD)) what good can you really do?
Greed drives capitalism but it is much easier to control with regulation than socialism which takes away the incentives to succeed.
Capitalism is what made this Country great and many poor became successful because of it. Redistribution of wealth can only bring us down to a Russian economy and a loss of freedom.
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How did I know some random was going to call me a liberal or socialist because they don't have basic understanding...
Because those who are 'in a position to help' are the very ones that caused this crisis for their own gain. The rich are taking this country down on purpose. I'm talking about the real rich, not the faggot who started some lame company down my street.
any class system that transfers wealth through law never transfers the wealth to the lower class. It is always used to transfer the wealth from the poor/middle class to the wealthy, creating a 2 class party.
The so called 'conservatives' lack of understanding of how this world works is mind boggling.
Lack of understanding how this world works, huh? No, I don't think so.
Because I subscribe to the fundamental belief that supporting everyone, regardless if they are rich or poor, will bring the country up as a whole, is "a lack of a better understanding", then put me down as the most ignorant person on planet Earth for believing in the individual.
Lack of understanding how this world works, huh? No, I don't think so.
Because I subscribe to the fundamental belief that supporting everyone, regardless if they are rich or poor, will bring the country up as a whole, is "a lack of a better understanding", then put me down as the most ignorant person on planet Earth for believing in the individual.
I figured people would misunderstand why I said what I did because there's usually only two ways people tend to understand political systems in this country anyways, but let me try to make this short and concise.
"“Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite. If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs."
You see, I believe in the individual and laissez faire capitalism to the tee, far more than the average 'conservative' because I understand that there is a huge difference between corporatism and capitalism. I'm not going to get into that but basically the system 'conservatives' tend to root for (corporatism) is a system that is designed to do the exact same thing that socialism does, if you understand how economics works they all are a means of taxing the middle class into oblivion and keeping the poor dependent on their measly government benefits, all the while giving special interest groups (corporations and government contractors) special laws, tax breaks, and immunities... and in the case of corporatism it is all in the name of 'free trade'. Well 'free trade principles' in this country isn't free trade at all, its screwing you and I so that the billionaires (more accurately - trillionaires) have free reign to keep controlling this countries economic supply.
Ever since this recession you 'conservatives' have been taught by the media and fox news to shun capitalism without 'regulation', not even realizing that we haven't had capitalism in this country since well before the Federal Reserve act was passed that gave Wall Street free reign to transfer our system of capital into a system of perpetual DEBT to the bankers on wallstreet. It has been corporatism through and through ever since.
So, with that in mind... DESTROYING the rich would be a damned good thing for the people of this country, let alone this world.
I figured people would misunderstand why I said what I did because there's usually only two ways people tend to understand political systems in this country anyways, but let me try to make this short and concise.
"“Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite. If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs."
You see, I believe in the individual and laissez faire capitalism to the tee, far more than the average 'conservative' because I understand that there is a huge difference between corporatism and capitalism. I'm not going to get into that but basically the system 'conservatives' tend to root for (corporatism) is a system that is designed to do the exact same thing that socialism does, if you understand how economics works they all are a means of taxing the middle class into oblivion and keeping the poor dependent on their measly government benefits, all the while giving special interest groups (corporations and government contractors) special laws, tax breaks, and immunities... and in the case of corporatism it is all in the name of 'free trade'. Well 'free trade principles' in this country isn't free trade at all, its screwing you and I so that the billionaires (more accurately - trillionaires) have free reign to keep controlling this countries economic supply.
Ever since this recession you 'conservatives' have been taught by the media and fox news to shun capitalism without 'regulation', not even realizing that we haven't had capitalism in this country since well before the Federal Reserve act was passed that gave Wall Street free reign to transfer our system of capital into a system of perpetual DEBT to the bankers on wallstreet. It has been corporatism through and through ever since.
So, with that in mind... DESTROYING the rich would be a damned good thing for the people of this country, let alone this world.
Vegas, I gotta go off topic here. I love your posts... Here is why. I don't always agree with... But sometimes I really do! And that is refreshing. I like to debate in an intellectual manner, citing my sources, you do the same. The moral is even though I don't always agree with you exactly, I absolutely love reading your posts because there's always a part of it that I do. Kudos to you. I missed this section.... I got all butthurt because of an idiot mod, but in hindsight realize how much I missed this. Good show sir!
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