Slavery existed for thousands of years, in all sorts of societies and all parts of the world. To imagine human social life without it required an extraordinary effort. Yet, from time to time, eccentrics emerged to oppose it, most of them arguing that slavery is a moral monstrosity and therefore people should get rid of it. Such advocates generally elicited reactions that ranged from gentle amusement to harsh scorn and violent assault.
When people bothered to give reasons for opposing the proposed abolition, they advanced many different ideas. In the first column of the accompanying table, I list ten such ideas that I have encountered in my reading. At one time, countless people found one or more of these reasons an adequate ground on which to oppose the abolition of slavery.
In retrospect, however, these reasons seem shabby – more rationalizations than reasons. They now appear to nearly everyone to be, if not utterly specious, then shaky or, at best, unpersuasive, notwithstanding an occasional grain of truth. No one now dredges up these ideas or their corollaries to support a proposal for reestablishing slavery. Although vestiges of slavery exist in northern Africa and a few other places, the idea that slavery is a defensible social institution is defunct. Reasons that once, not so long ago, seemed to provide compelling grounds for opposing the abolition of slavery now pack no intellectual punch.
Strange to say, however, the same ideas once trotted out to justify opposition to the abolition of slavery are now routinely trotted out to justify opposition to the abolition of government (as we know it). Libertarian anarchists bold enough to have publicly advanced their proposal for abolishing the state will have encountered many, if not all, of the arguments used for centuries to prop up slavery. Thus, we may make a parallel list, as shown in the table’s second column.
In the table, my repetition of the cumbersome expression “government (as we know it)” may seem odd, or even irritating, but I have chosen to tax the reader’s patience in this way for a reason. When the typical person encounters an advocate of anarchism, his immediate reaction is to identify a list of critical government functions – preservation of social order, maintenance of a legal system for resolving disputes and dealing with criminals, protection against foreign aggressors, enforcement of private property rights, support of the weak and defenseless, production and maintenance of economic infrastructure, and so forth. This reaction, however, shoots at the wrong target.
Libertarian anarchists do not deny that such social functions must be carried out if a society is to function successfully. They do deny, however, that we must have government (as we know it) to carry them out. Libertarian anarchists prefer that these functions be carried out by private providers with whom the beneficiaries have agreed to deal. When I write about government “as we know it,” I am referring to the monopolistic, individually nonconsensual form of government that now exists virtually everywhere on earth.
Readers may object that at least some existing governments do have the people’s consent, but where’s the evidence? Show me the properly signed and witnessed contracts. Unless all of the responsible adults subject to a government’s claimed authority have voluntarily and explicitly accepted its governance on specific terms, the presumption must be that the rulers have simply imposed their rule. Propaganda statements, civics texts, opinion surveys, barroom allegations, political elections, and so forth are beside the point in this regard. No one would think of proffering such forms of evidence to show that I have a valid contract with Virgin Mobile, which supplies me with telelphone service. When will the governments of the United States, the state of Louisiana, and St. Tammany Parish send me the contracts wherein I may agree (or not) to purchase their “services” on mutually acceptable terms?
The similarity of arguments against the abolition of slavery and arguments against the abolition of government (as we know it) should shake the faith of all Americans who still labor under the misconception that ours is a “government of the people, by the people, for the people.” From where I stand, it looks distressingly like an institutional complex that rests on the same shaky intellectual foundations as slavery.
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Arguments Against the Abolition of Slavery and Arguments Against the Abolition of Government (as We Know It)
Slavery is natural. --------------- Government (as we know it) is natural.
Slavery has always existed. -------- Government (as we know it) has always existed.
Every society on earth has slavery. --------------- Every society on earth has government (as we know it)
The slaves are not capable of taking care of themselves. --------- The people are not capable of taking care of themselves
Without masters, the slaves will die off. ------------- Without government (as we know it), the people will die off.
Where the common people are free, they are even worse off than slaves ----------- Where the common people have no government (as we know it), they are much worse off (e.g., Somalia). (srt4owns?)
Getting rid of slavery would occasion great bloodshed and other evils. ----------- Getting rid of government (as we know it) would occasion great bloodshed and other evils.
Without slavery, the former slaves would run amuck, stealing, raping, killing, and generally causing mayhem. --------------- Without government (as we know it), the people would run amuck, stealing, raping, killing, and generally causing mayhem.
Trying to get rid of slavery is foolishly utopian and impractical; only a fuzzy-headed dreamer would advance such a cockamamie proposal. -------------- Trying to get rid of government (as we know it) is foolishly utopian and impractical; only a fuzzy-headed dreamer would advance such a cockamamie proposal.
Forget abolition. A far better plan is to keep the slaves sufficiently well fed, clothed, housed, and occasionally entertained and to take their minds off their exploitation by encouraging them to focus on the better life that awaits them in the hereafter. ----------------- Forget anarchy. A far better plan is to keep the ordinary people sufficiently well fed, clothed, housed, and entertained and to take their minds off their exploitation by encouraging them to focus on the better life that awaits them in the hereafter.
Worth thinking about.
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While slavery is unacceptable in any form, we need government to the smallest degree. Protection from massive invasion. Infrastructure, i.e. roads, traffic lights, etc.
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Federal government is good for the Supreme Court/upholding the Constitution, national defense and maybe the FDA. Other than that, states and local governments should run their own shit.
The allusion between slavery and government is a HUGE stretch, and you know it.
I like the point where you mentioned my name because it is true. The people in Somalia essentially don't have any form of organized government and their lives are a shithole.
Besides, there is a difference between no government at all and a government with limited usage.
You already know what I think government's role is. As a liberal, I believe a government needs to protect those with little to no power from those with massive amounts of power. Examples of this are:
1. Regulating industries to make sure they don't produce harmful products.
2. Preventing unfair business practices such as monopolies, price gouging, and oligopolies that are essentially run like monopolies.
3. Providing services to its citizens to promote the general welfare of the country.
However, the government should NOT have a role in:
1. Regulating freedom of speech unless it is under the intent of physically harming others
2. Religious matters. Churches should be entirely private and not tax-exempt under any circumstances. All government programs and associated services should have no religious affiliation whatsoever.
3. Illegal search and seizure . . .aka Bush and the patriot act, illegal wiretaps, etc.
4. Breaking international treaties
5. Executing wars on foreign soil unless we were attacked first via a declaration of war by a state
That's the way liberals want the government to work. I'm sure I've left out some details, so this is just a rough sketch of sorts.
The allusion between slavery and government is a HUGE stretch, and you know it.
I like the point where you mentioned my name because it is true. The people in Somalia essentially don't have any form of organized government and their lives are a shithole.
they do have governance. the warlords who control the most guns and foot soldiers govern those that dont.
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You already know what I think government's role is. As a liberal, I believe a government needs to protect those with little to no power from those with massive amounts of power. Examples of this are:
1. Regulating industries to make sure they don't produce harmful products.
such as turbo neons that create large amounts of carbon dioxide?
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2. Preventing unfair business practices such as monopolies, price gouging, and oligopolies that are essentially run like monopolies.
but its ok if the monopolies are owned by the gov.?
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3. Providing services to its citizens to promote the general welfare of the country.
Oh look more ways to spend tax dollars from a loser who doesnt even pay taxes
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However, the government should NOT have a role in:
1. Regulating freedom of speech unless it is under the intent of physically harming others
Unless those protestors happen to be conservative..then they are being un-american
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2. Religious matters. Churches should be entirely private and not tax-exempt under any circumstances. All government programs and associated services should have no religious affiliation whatsoever.
Then by that same logic the ACLU, ACORN, PETA, and all those other associations should be non-tax exempt as well.
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3. Illegal search and seizure . . .aka Bush and the patriot act, illegal wiretaps, etc.
not much debate here, the rules we have in place now are sufficient
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4. Breaking international treaties
and embracing globalism...
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5. Executing wars on foreign soil unless we were attacked first via a declaration of war by a state
this is just idiotic. I suppose we shouldnt have intervened in your beloved europe during WW2 either huh? since germany didnt attack us? how about all humanitarian aid to africa? since they havent attacked us either?
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Dear mightyxwhitey53,
You have received an infraction at SRT Forums - SRT4, SRT6, SRT8, SRT10 & Dodge Forum.
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Srt4 owns please sell your srt and get a chevy volt or a smart car. The srt may be to much for you its a bad product. Please come to the race track with your lib friends and protest us filling the air with tire smoke and burning to much hydro carbons. Go to a lowrider show and tell them they are fucking the earth up with the vapors from the batterys while hopping.Then tell us what hospital you are in after they knock you the fuck out so we can send you a get well soon card!
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4. Breaking international treaties
and embracing globalism...
This is how you can tell a fake sold out liberal like Obama from a honest liberal who isnt sold out to foreign banks like Kucinich. Might not agree with ideas of Kucinich, but int he end at least he is on our team.
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