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Old 10-20-2009, 11:39 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Unions have nothing to do with the lack of any kind of loyalty. If anything, they promote loyalty (on the employee side) through collective bargaining to get the best benefits possible.

True there is a lot of job hopping now vs. how it used to be. That isn't a problem so much as downsizing/offshoring is. The only real big problem with rapid employee turnover is that no one "grows up" with the company. There really is no one that knows the ins and outs of the business and quality/customer service suffers. Again, you will see the smart companies doing things to improve employee retention.

The most important thing to know in business is that without employees you do not have a business. The importance of employees trumps the importance of shareholders.

I agree unions do not support job hopping, but ONLY because they lose dues, membership and support as a result. The employees are ONLY loyal to the company in relation to wages/benefits, which is how it should be.

If a company wants to keep people they will increase wages, benefits and enhance working conditions. These are the companies that people seek out. Unions are antiquated P.O.S that should be banned. They do the American public and industry more harm then good.

Just ask Catapiller, FORMERLY of York, PA.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:05 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I agree unions do not support job hopping, but ONLY because they lose dues, membership and support as a result. The employees are ONLY loyal to the company in relation to wages/benefits, which is how it should be.

If a company wants to keep people they will increase wages, benefits and enhance working conditions. These are the companies that people seek out. Unions are antiquated P.O.S that should be banned. They do the American public and industry more harm then good.

Just ask Catapiller, FORMERLY of York, PA.

I really do agree BUT the threat of organizing is what keeps a lot of employers in check. Ban unions and compensation will decrease across the board because there will be no benchmark. That is the only purpose unions serve now IMO.
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This is nothing more than a bear market rally. Just like all the ones before it. Although a lot of the increase in stocks reflects just how worthless the dollar is.
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This is nothing more than a bear market rally. Just like all the ones before it. Although a lot of the increase in stocks reflects just how worthless the dollar is.

Meanwhile we have Ben Bernake claiming the recession is over !!
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I just had to quote the mentally retarded comment in that post.

To whom does the company have a vested interest in?

The employees or the shareholders?

The correct answer is the shareholders. If the comany can make more money by laying off workers, so be it. Without the investers, there would be no jobs for the workers. The government does not create jobs. Understand that, except by tax reduction on corporations and the invester class, aka the rich.

Your's, mine, and every other swinging dick, most likely has their retirement plan tied up in the stockmarket. Pray they don't tax the rich more, or any class for that matter...it's going to get worse, much worse with the massive taxation increase that will result from a "gov't option" health care plan.


Well made point. Interestingly enough, where was the market average between 2002-2008?
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Meanwhile we have Ben Bernake claiming the recession is over !!


I think we should replace Bernake with Pelosi. No, better yet, let Barney Frank and Charlie Rangel take control of the Fed. Reserve



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I think we should replace Bernake with Pelosi. No, better yet, let Barney Frank and Charlie Rangel take control of the Fed. Reserve




Well, they do know how to set up businesses in their basement and how to avoid taxes!
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Well, they do know how to set up businesses in their basement and how to avoid taxes!


This! All of this!
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How anyone voted for Barney Frank and says that Bush was stupid has got to be the biggest conundrum ever.

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I didn't realize that Barney Frank was openly gay

Barney Frank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia No wonder he talks so funny.


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Funny how if you are Republican and gay you are an outrage but if your are a Democrat and gay you are "the Man". Some people just forget that they have to pay taxes and get away with it.
Hypocrites at their finest hour.
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