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Old 02-27-2013, 01:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Obamacare gives IRS direct access to your bank

Well i just searched around after hearing about it and found it, pages 58 and 59 of the bill give the IRS direct REAL-TIME access to your account and the ability to initiate electronic funds transfers if they so choose.

yet the supreme court found this bill "constitutional" even though it is a clear violation of the 4th amendement.

how long till the revolution do you guys wager?
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time to start using cash and keeping money in the piggy bank....
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yeah, unfortunately most comapanies today use direct deposit for payroll.
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yeah, unfortunately most comapanies today use direct deposit for payroll.

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how long till the revolution do you guys wager?

been asking this for the past 5 yrs.

so why are they given direct access to our accounts for....only people that owe back taxes??

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exscuses i've seen: to make sure your paying your health insurance ( most of this comes out of your paycheck prior to being deposited)

make sure your paying your "fair share" whatever that may imply

to take a 1% fee for ALL transactions to pay for "obamacare"

eventually though, the government could just steal everyone's money to prevent them from purchasing firearms or funding a retaliation movement. ( includign peaceful retaliation such as protests and special lobby groups.)

oh yeah and on a side note it also gives health insurance to NON-US citizens, including one's here ILLEGALLY.
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PolitiFact | E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.

God I hate Republicans and how they twist the facts in order to scare the sheeple. Last week it was the retards that believed in mandatory chip implants under Obamacare, now this....
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eventually though, the government could just steal everyone's money to prevent them from purchasing firearms or funding a retaliation movement. ( includign peaceful retaliation such as protests and special lobby groups.)
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Remember people....this guy above is allowed to vote on decisions that affect our country. How scary is that????
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For one, why do they need REAL TIME access to your account to pay a health bill also why do they need the ability to INITIATE electronic funds transfers, if a hospital doesn't receive payment, let them submit it with other information and either put a freeze on it, until an agreement is reached for payments to be set up, or the bill to be paid in full, this doesn't give ANYONE ACCESS and still sovles the problem.

ALSO if health insurace comes out of your payroll cgheck PRIOR to being deposited, how are they goign to be able to tell?

the outline is an outright LIE and a precursor to other things IMO

it is also extremely intrusive into my personal financial affairs and is a violation of amendement 4 of the consitution.

also if they DO have the POWER to INITIATE electronic funds transfers, initially for "healthcare" how long until more legislation is passed to give the government MORE power over YOUR finances, honestly, this is something they should nto have the ability or the right to do, it is NOT the government's responsibility to make sure we pay, it is ours, and our country needs to get it back in the populace's heads the reasons and NECESSITY for RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY.

also i do not entirely reflect the veiws of the republican/conservative party. nor do i adopt all of them. but this particular view i agree with.

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Remember people....this guy above is allowed to vote on decisions that affect our country. How scary is that????

now let's think about this one as well, i find voting a difficult thing as everyone they give us to vote for is a damned politician, and even worse, CAREER politicians. they say what they need to get vote's, and none of them ever address any of the real problems.
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PolitiFact | E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.

God I hate Republicans and how they twist the facts in order to scare the sheeple. Last week it was the retards that believed in mandatory chip implants under Obamacare, now this....

this here is also a LIE IMO, as how does having access to our accounts and ability to initiate payments create or reach towards a "goal for electronic health records." payment has nothing to do with medical history, the bill itself if electronically stored, has what the billing was for and contains more medical history. since you paying jsut shows the amount paid, not what each and every cent went towards.

and let's also add the fact it is either true or it is false, there is no BARELY true

also if i have health insurance, and say the hospital/clinic made a mistake in it's submition of the bill, they can just take my money prior to me sorting it out so it is handled correctly? well then that just initiates a whole new set of problems with me getting refunded what was taken.
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackSRT4GUY View Post
PolitiFact | E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.

God I hate Republicans and how they twist the facts in order to scare the sheeple. Last week it was the retards that believed in mandatory chip implants under Obamacare, now this....


It's nothing new - it's been happening for YEARS and will continue to happen.
When they're not in complete power - the conspiracy theories come out.

The drone thing is hilarious, too. Thankfully, most Americans don't believe fairy tales.


PolitiFact | Sen. Rand Paul says Obama 'is advocating a drone strike program in America'
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He definitely be mad.
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Remember people....this guy above is allowed to vote on decisions that affect our country. How scary is that????

I used to listen to Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, and Rush ALL THE TIME.
Best political entertainment ever...and so Angry.
Just got bored with all the angry rhetoric after a few years.

Whatever happened to the Tea Party?
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At this point I'm hoping the plane with the entire team on it crashes into the ocean on the way home and no survivors. Even better please crash in Tampa Bay and take out friendood too.

He definitely be mad.
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I used to listen to Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, and Rush ALL THE TIME.
Best political entertainment ever...and so Angry.
Just got bored with all the angry rhetoric after a few years.

Whatever happened to the Tea Party?

If you want to see some real clowns look at CNN and MSNBC. There you will find some real mental cases.
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Climate change denyin , birther , death-panel believin , people are pretty resistant to logic . Nothing new here .

For the record , Obama did not write the Affordable Care Act . It came from the houses of congress . All Obama did was sign it . Lots of republicans , Obama haters , and lobbyists helped create the ACA , are they all "in on it " too ?

People should at least learn the fundamentals of our gubment before they try to act all knowledgeable and shit .
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