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thats funny...after all that shit srtowned was talking about the bush cabinet being all secretive and hiding state secrets....now his messiah is hiding even more...classic!
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Quote: Originally Posted by stowaway
Dear mightyxwhitey53,
You have received an infraction at SRT Forums - SRT4, SRT6, SRT8, SRT10 & Dodge Forum.
Reason: Bashing a 'tard
While I am in no way a replacement for srtowns , I would like to respond to this . If you have no intention of listening to a rational reply then by all means ignore me .
I think you have mis-interperated the excecutive signing order 13489 . Its funtion is to restore the "state" of presidential records to what it was before George Jr changed who had access to said records . That is to say how it was when his father , Reagan , and Clinton were in office (EO 12667) . So in fact , he is doing the exact opposite of what you are implying . It was Bush that was trying to hide his actions , and even tried to prevent the disclosure of his presidential records (in this case , his signing orders) even after his term was over , and for all eternity (EO13233).
Please understand that presidential records have nothing to do with personal information , like medical records . Therfore this action , one way or the other , has no bearing on a birth certificate dispute . Period . It is referring to the Office of President , not the person .
If you dont agree with me , or see a flaw in my response , please reply with an actual argument that is logical & not just a link to more rhetoric .
Please explain how , exactly how , this order will prevent any further research into Obamas past . Please explain to me how restoring the signing order status to what it was when Reagan last made a change to it (EO 12667)is somehow going to help hide all the "dirt" on Obama . Again , in YOUR words , no links . And finally , please explain to me what presidential records are .
Im willing to have an actual debate , not interested in what glenn beck thinks , or get into a creative name calling match .
Who gives a shit anymore? He will never produce a birth certificate to show the world and honestly, it doesn't matter. The country is his for four years to screw up, hopefully whoever takes over after him can unfuck everything.
While I am in no way a replacement for srtowns , I would like to respond to this . If you have no intention of listening to a rational reply then by all means ignore me .
I think you have mis-interperated the excecutive signing order 13489 . Its funtion is to restore the "state" of presidential records to what it was before George Jr changed who had access to said records . That is to say how it was when his father , Reagan , and Clinton were in office (EO 12667) . So in fact , he is doing the exact opposite of what you are implying . It was Bush that was trying to hide his actions , and even tried to prevent the disclosure of his presidential records (in this case , his signing orders) even after his term was over , and for all eternity (EO13233).
Please understand that presidential records have nothing to do with personal information , like medical records . Therfore this action , one way or the other , has no bearing on a birth certificate dispute . Period . It is referring to the Office of President , not the person .
If you dont agree with me , or see a flaw in my response , please reply with an actual argument that is logical & not just a link to more rhetoric .
Please explain how , exactly how , this order will prevent any further research into Obamas past . Please explain to me how restoring the signing order status to what it was when Reagan last made a change to it (EO 12667)is somehow going to help hide all the "dirt" on Obama . Again , in YOUR words , no links . And finally , please explain to me what presidential records are .
Im willing to have an actual debate , not interested in what glenn beck thinks , or get into a creative name calling match .
Wow... you seem really paranoid. Also, unless you have a nozzle on one end, you are not nor will you ever be SRT4-OWNED... because he is a douche.
Now, onto the 'debate'.
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Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice.
All he is saying bud, is that they can REQUEST records, but if the president/former president says NO! then they still are sealed. He didn't really 'change' anything, which goes along with the rest of his presidency. Additionally, they can now extend the time period for the seal as far as they want, as long as they give a reason. It doesn't say it has to be a valid reason, it just says 'a reason'. So therefore, what you claim Bush TRIED to do, lock his records forever, Obama has done at the beginning of his term. Presumably because he knows what a huge fuck up he is going to be.
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Good thing you put what intake manifold gasket your using on your mod list... If that wasn't there I would think that your slow......
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While I am in no way a replacement for srtowns , I would like to respond to this . If you have no intention of listening to a rational reply then by all means ignore me .
I think you have mis-interperated the excecutive signing order 13489 . Its funtion is to restore the "state" of presidential records to what it was before George Jr changed who had access to said records . That is to say how it was when his father , Reagan , and Clinton were in office (EO 12667) . So in fact , he is doing the exact opposite of what you are implying . It was Bush that was trying to hide his actions , and even tried to prevent the disclosure of his presidential records (in this case , his signing orders) even after his term was over , and for all eternity (EO13233).
Please understand that presidential records have nothing to do with personal information , like medical records . Therfore this action , one way or the other , has no bearing on a birth certificate dispute . Period . It is referring to the Office of President , not the person .
If you dont agree with me , or see a flaw in my response , please reply with an actual argument that is logical & not just a link to more rhetoric .
Please explain how , exactly how , this order will prevent any further research into Obamas past . Please explain to me how restoring the signing order status to what it was when Reagan last made a change to it (EO 12667)is somehow going to help hide all the "dirt" on Obama . Again , in YOUR words , no links . And finally , please explain to me what presidential records are .
Im willing to have an actual debate , not interested in what glenn beck thinks , or get into a creative name calling match .
If that is in fact correct where are his records from Harvard and Columbia? Don't you find it slightly odd that no one is able to review any of his school records? What is there to hide? He surely had a better record than Bush right?
Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice.
^^This is ripped from section 2 b . of the EO . It explains the rules for invoking executive privilege . Once invoked the requested disclosure is only delayed , not permanently sealed (again , as Reagan wrote it in 89 .) If said privilege is invoked , then the matter goes to the attorney general to be decided . it is not "sealed" as you say .
By all means , check out section 3 & 4 of the executive order . They will explain how the mechanisms work to determine weather the privilege will be granted or denied .
Once you get a grip on what is being said in the sections 2,3,&4 of EO 13489 , check out Bush Jr.s revocation of the EO that Reagan put in place & Obama is re-instating . Then you will see how secretive GW was trying to be . His EO changed the rules & time periods required to contest executive privilege , & also tried to extend it to anybody that he wished to keep quiet .
If that is in fact correct where are his records from Harvard and Columbia? Don't you find it slightly odd that no one is able to review any of his school records? What is there to hide? He surely had a better record than Bush right?
I dont know where these records are , But if you find them , publish them . they are not protected by any EO ever written . I think it would be fun to put Obama's school records against Bush's .
Suspicion is a good thing . I am a Doubting Thomas myself . But I dont see a conspiracy here . Im much more concerned with the shit going down with healthcare insurance . These fuckers in Washington are , once again , using this issue to further their own personal gain/power . On either side of the isle !
Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice.
^^This is ripped from section 2 b . of the EO . It explains the rules for invoking executive privilege . Once invoked the requested disclosure is only delayed , not permanently sealed (again , as Reagan wrote it in 89 .) If said privilege is invoked , then the matter goes to the attorney general to be decided . it is not "sealed" as you say .
By all means , check out section 3 & 4 of the executive order . They will explain how the mechanisms work to determine weather the privilege will be granted or denied .
Once you get a grip on what is being said in the sections 2,3,&4 of EO 13489 , check out Bush Jr.s revocation of the EO that Reagan put in place & Obama is re-instating . Then you will see how secretive GW was trying to be . His EO changed the rules & time periods required to contest executive privilege , & also tried to extend it to anybody that he wished to keep quiet .
Try again , bud .
You quoted it yourself.. I am unsure as to what point you are trying to make here.... what if he wants it sealed for 200 years? There is no time limit. It also does not outling what reasons would warrant that. It just says 'a reason'. ANY reason will do. But you are right... they have to set a time period. So 999 years is NOT forever. You got me.
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Obama sealed his records....
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Also, unless you have a nozzle on one end, you are not nor will you ever be SRT4-OWNED... because he is a douche.
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