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Old 10-23-2009, 02:47 PM   #91 (permalink)
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that would fit the normal lies and bs you get from the msm good job.

these people are protesting the bull shit thats raping this country and the 3rd world. A handful of them are violent and there is no excuse for their behavior, the majority are not like that. When did it become wrong to stand up in a free country and shout for what you believe in. Free speach zones and all that, its b.s. I can guarantee you that 95% of those people out there are not "anarchists"

I agree but you vantage point is skewed, the law enforcement personel arested people who steped over the line, you see protesters protesting without any law enforcement interdiction.....

dont blame the law enforcement or military personel YOUR WRONG they are you and me, you and me.

nothing wrong with protesting, the video shows criminals getting arested not protesters
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Old 10-24-2009, 01:01 AM   #92 (permalink)
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I agree but you vantage point is skewed, the law enforcement personel arested people who steped over the line, you see protesters protesting without any law enforcement interdiction.....

dont blame the law enforcement or military personel YOUR WRONG they are you and me, you and me.

nothing wrong with protesting, the video shows criminals getting arested not protesters

I agree too. There are people who go to those things to just stir up trouble. The video may have shown some of those particular people, but once a couple people get out of hand, what tends to happen is the police over react to everyone. They were rolling down the street blasting a sound cannon. Where people live. My point though was that the police in some cases have been caught provoking violence. I'm not blaming all police, just those ones.
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:50 PM   #93 (permalink)
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This has happened before for real...... It happened at protests in Canada at the SPP protests, they were caught and the government appologized. I'm not saying it happens everywhere, but it does happen. ALIPAC - Disguised Canadian Police busted trying to provoke SPP Riot!

At the riots in Seattle the cops were caught ignoring the small group of black bloc shit heads that were creating the damage and violence. There are town hall meetings from after that event where elderly women talked about being beaten by police while walking down the street. This movie tells a real story, the msm reports were garbage, but thats on par for the MSM YouTube - Battle in Seattle - trailer

See, you have to read these things with a critical mind, not just blindly accepting the conclusions of the author, who, like the producers of "Battle In Seattle", are admittedly a bit biased. I'll address Seattle later, but lets talk about the Canada thing.

"I think the circumstantial evidence is very powerful," he said.

Said one quote. Theres a reason that getting a conviction on circumstantial evidence is known as a very hard thing to do in the courts, becuase it sucks. What facts do we have? The fact that they had yellow triangles? Damn that was hard.

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Ya think perhaps anarchists who plan on mixing it up with police, and/or smashing a lot of glass might equip themselves with footwear to stand up to their planned activities? I'd say that was a good bet. Police admitted they had officers undercover, they all do in any sizeable protest, it would be negligent not to. They did not, however, say the three individuals in question were theirs.


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Everyone there knew they were cops.....They're not going to admit doing anything wrong, thats just being smart legally. I wasnt there, so hey maybe its all one big coincidence. Its crazy to think it never happens though. I'm curious on your take on Seatle. I've watched the actual town hall meetings, no spin on those at all. Not documentary form, just taped town hall meetings.....The police f'd up big time in Seatle. Old women with broken bones. I'm not a cop hater or anything, just trying to be real about it. shit happens. Cops don't want people to be pissed at them or not like them, they can stop beating 15 year old girls. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl67F...layer_embedded I mean I know a 15 year old showing a shoe is real scary to a big man like that but......

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See, what "everyone knows" is another bad thing. One person says it, it goes through an already suspicious crowd, which reinforces it to iself, and pretty soon "everybody knows it. Ever had any training in communications? Ever study mobs and riots, and how they form and act? Eyewitnesses, especially ones from crowds, suck for that reason. Its real easy to get a crowd to believe they have seen a thing they never saw.

You know, being pissed at all cops for the actions of a few is pretty bad. Hundreds of thousands of cops, +99 doing a tough job under tough circumstances, and you want to judge them all based on the actions of a few bad ones. Dont mistake me, when offficers DO do wrong, I want them nailed, they have a higher standard, I believe. But I refuse to prejudge an entire group based on the actions of a few bad ones.


And having officers undercover to report the locations and action of a crowd is completely different than using officers as agent provocateurs. Of which we have as proof, the existence of yellow triangles on shoes. Which triangles are standard on workboots.
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