Lets talk here. I've seen that "snatch" vid, and honestly, as a retired military member, it looks mighty iffy to me.
Ive still yet to see any proof of active military forces being involved, so we'll table that.
Lets talk about it:
Mindless Neo-Cons Claim G20 Abduction Video Is “Fake”
Deluded morons resort to infantile denial to hide from the fact that America is a military police state
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, September 25, 2009
After the Drudge Report linked to the shocking You Tube video of a G20 protester being abducted by military police in Pittsburgh, hoards of mindless Neo-Cons flooded comment boards claiming the event was “fake” or “staged,” citing all manner of ludicrous and unfounded reasons in a desperate effort to deny the fact that America is now a military police state.
As we reported earlier, the video shows an unmarked gold Sedan pulling up to a side street as men in military fatigues wrestle a protester towards the car. The protester is forced into the car and kidnapped as the Sedan speeds off into a cloud of tear gas.
Debunkers attempted to attack the chilling gravity of the video by firstly claiming the men were not from the “military,” as if it even matters whether they are police, national guard, or marines. We know for a fact that the Pittsburgh National Guard were training with the Army and the Air Force in anticipation of the G20, namely on how to conduct crowd control, and that active duty military personnel are on the ground in Pittsburgh.
However, scores of commenters on You Tube merely dismissed the chilling video with throwaway lines like “FAKE…move on,” as if their childlike response of denying reality could make the monsters go away.
Here’s a selection of the comments currently appearing underneath the video on You Tube.
“Fake. Staged. Next…”
“it’s staged. Marines don’t roll up their sleeves.”
“No arms or insignia, and they drove off in what looked like somebody’s grandmother’s car — this looks like a false flag op to me, staged by a bunch of radicals to make the government look bad.”
Proof that the incident was by no means staged comes in the form of a photograph taken of the same man under arrest laying on the ground in plastic handcuffs. The men in military uniforms are accompanied by uniformed riot police, proving that this was a genuine and coordinated arrest and abduction. The men in military uniforms are not protesters dressed up as Marines, as the Neo-Cons are bizarrely claiming.
Claims that the men are wearing fake uniforms are also completely debunked by the fact that official Associated Press photos of “military checkpoints” in Pittsburgh show the same uniforms being worn. See the images below.
Other respondents on You Tube express suspicion at the alarming amount of comments claiming the video is “fake”.
“The behavior on this board is very suspicious. I see way too many comments that this video is fake–these “skeptics” are all over this hammering the point that this video is fake,” remarks one.
“One might expect a few “it’s fake” claims, but so many? Are there that many supporters of the good work of the G20 leaders who? have the time to make “retarded anarchists” on youtube videos. Or could it be that the military goons have been directed to swarm this video to attempt to discredit it?”
The authenticity of the video is proven by another You Tube clip that shows footage from immediately after the kidnapping. A man wearing a red bandana who was protesting the abduction is arrested and dragged away by riot police as other demonstrators express their sock at the events that are unfolding.
This proves that both men were targeted by the authorities, and that the abduction of the first protester was by no means “staged” in any way. In fact, it’s par for the course in a city that is under martial law lockdown where the First Amendment is a criminal offense. The first video also clearly shows uniformed riot police telling the man in the red bandana not to interfere with the abduction of the protester, proving that this is a coordinated kidnapping and not “staged” by protesters as Neo-Cons are claiming.
It’s time to grow up, grow a pair, and face the truth that America is now a militarized police state.
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By the way, that was just another article I read. While I do agree with the tone used, I wasn't attempting to call you a mindless neocon or anything GLHS. I respect you.
Yeah, get a me a link to that Seattle thing. I"m not going to defend everything the Seattle authorities did during that time, but I think perhaps suggesting the Black Bloc people involved were plants to generate a situation is off base. This article seems to be fairly written, and no mention of that is made.
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Yeah, get a me a link to that Seattle thing. I"m not going to defend everything the Seattle authorities did during that time, but I think perhaps suggesting the Black Bloc people involved were plants to generate a situation is off base. This article seems to be fairly written, and no mention of that is made.
Here ya go. I'd watch the entire thing to really get a good idea of what happened. Its a combination of interviews, amateur video, and media video.
if I lived in that area and the "protesters" started a civil disobedience BS i would be happy the police did what they did TO PROTECT MY RIGHTS. you see vegas you think the constitution gives you ultimate rights WRONG your wrights end when they impead on anothers rights, there needs to be balance. if you hold up a sign GOOD FOR YOU but you attempt to start a riot in my neighborhood and endanger my children and neighbors YOU ARE WAY OUT OF YOUR RIGHTS..
I didn't see anyone starting a riot in that last clip.
nope cause they dispersed the crowed in a peacefull maner, those groups try their hardest to try to get police and politicians to do something wrong to further their cause (notice EVERYONE had a camera) and people get caught up in this and twist the "freedom of speach" and constitution
WHAT MESSAGE WERE THEY TRYING TO GET ACROSS, they didnt have any message just wanted some photographic and video footage to further the real adgenda (and I assume none of those people knew why they were there)
it is a farce YOU ARE GETTING BRAINWASHED by these people
I believe the conspiricy is not on the government side but from these people HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE, HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DONT HAVE A SECRET ADJENDA
Do you mean that they were trying to get the police and politicians to violate the bill of rights? They have the right to protest and assemble without violence, like their politic or not they are still guaranteed the rights of a citizen. They were protesting the G20 summit and by extension the IMF and the world bank because they see it as a tool used toward one world gov and the erosion of the rights of US citizens. I'm not getting brainwashed but seems you already have been. yes some may have had anarchist agendas but those videos also showed non black bloc protesters being harrased by the PD. That's the real; problem with this country and vegas is right people are so blindly patriotic they overlook the abuse of power by the men in uniform.
Do you mean that they were trying to get the police and politicians to violate the bill of rights? They have the right to protest and assemble without violence, like their politic or not they are still guaranteed the rights of a citizen. They were protesting the G20 summit and by extension the IMF and the world bank because they see it as a tool used toward one world gov and the erosion of the rights of US citizens. I'm not getting brainwashed but seems you already have been. yes some may have had anarchist agendas but those videos also showed non black bloc protesters being harrased by the PD. That's the real; problem with this country and vegas is right people are so blindly patriotic they overlook the abuse of power by the men in uniform.
fool they were causing a disturbance in a neighborhood, there was a large crowd with anarchist adjenda the police came and dispursed the crowd without incident so THE LAW BIDING CITIZENS WHO LIVE THERE CAN GO BACK TO THERE LIVES. what makes you think these protesters have the right to infringe on others rights.....what if they came to your neighborhood with bull horns and riff raf YOU WOULD EXPECT THE COPS TO DISPURSE THE CROWD TOO
the freadom of speach does not mean YOU can speak where ever and whenever you want, these people create a sceene at the expence of others rights. AND YOU BUY INTO IT. the cops wernt infringing on these peoples rights but protecting the rights of the people who live there
Experts say that anarchists successfully deployed a tactic in Pittsburgh that they have often used at other protests, leading a large group of people toward police, then slipping out of the crowd to commit mayhem elsewhere.
Now, this caught my eye for this reason. Earlier today, I read a five page timeline of the Seattle deal, written by a liberal voice kinda person, but seemed mostly fair to all sides. One thing mentioned was a quote from a Black Bloc guy, who was quoted as saying something to the effect of "We want to try and push the other protestors into more action". Meaning get in amongst them, and trigger an LEO response, to which the whole group will respond.
They play off of the natural human fear of mobs. They know that LEOs, outnumbered heavily by a crowd, fear a mob more than any individual act of aggresion. If they can turn the mostly peaceful crowd into a mob, they win.
See, the problem with conspiratorial view is that you must really beleive in your heart that tens of thousands of police, and military, are in on this thing. I know cops, and military guys, and trust me. They get orders like Alex Jones insists they have, and they are going over the wall. I recently saw a post on an LEO forum I joined to talk Chargers, it was a theoretical question to the group. "What do you do if ordered to round up weapons, with no accompanying change to the Constitution"? Guess what? It was about %95 against, with most saying they would refuse such an order, and a few saying they would head for the hills. A few saying they would obey, and those few were abused in that thread.
Now, this caught my eye for this reason. Earlier today, I read a five page timeline of the Seattle deal, written by a liberal voice kinda person, but seemed mostly fair to all sides. One thing mentioned was a quote from a Black Bloc guy, who was quoted as saying something to the effect of "We want to try and push the other protestors into more action". Meaning get in amongst them, and trigger an LEO response, to which the whole group will respond.
They play off of the natural human fear of mobs. They know that LEOs, outnumbered heavily by a crowd, fear a mob more than any individual act of aggresion. If they can turn the mostly peaceful crowd into a mob, they win.
See, the problem with conspiratorial view is that you must really beleive in your heart that tens of thousands of police, and military, are in on this thing. I know cops, and military guys, and trust me. They get orders like Alex Jones insists they have, and they are going over the wall. I recently saw a post on an LEO forum I joined to talk Chargers, it was a theoretical question to the group. "What do you do if ordered to round up weapons, with no accompanying change to the Constitution"? Guess what? It was about %95 against, with most saying they would refuse such an order, and a few saying they would head for the hills. A few saying they would obey, and those few were abused in that thread.
Something interesting I remember from my sociology classes was a discussion we had about uniforms. There were studies done in the 60's i believe that showed the effect of uniforms and authority on people. The studies showed that regular people, after putting on their uniform, acted completely different and did things they would never do when not in uniform. This study was a prison environment that they created. After a couple days, the people were almost forgetting who they were. "Prisoners" were acting like prisoners and "guards" were acting like guards.The experiment got out of hand and was aborted. It was some crazy shit. (this was all done before the ethics we have now existed)
I believe these studies to be similar to what happens at these protests when things go bad.
I beleive it was Gov "slick eddy spend us all to hell" Rendell.
What rights are violated? If you don't get out of control and start rioting, there isn't a problem. Control yourself! The police, NG and other agencies have a duty to protect people and property.
Think abou this...if YOU owned a store/home/property in the area, and some crackpots came through and got out of control, wouldn't you want it protected?
Peaceful protest/demonstation should be protected and encouraged. Out of control riots and anarchists (yes they are there) should be dealt with swiftly and harshly, without remorse.
Again...control yourself and it's not an issue.
Agreed. I am all for peaceful protest but when you get out of control and/or don't listen to lawful orders, shit will happen.
Why would you show up to a protest with anything other than a sign? Bandanas to cover your face, dust masks, eye protection among other things? Sorry not buying it. And as with just about any other video on the internet, I am sure the posters edited it to only show the police reaction and not what was done to provoke the police. Common sense here, let's use it. You have a bunch of world leaders, why would you think that you can just stand right next to them yelling? Of course there will be off limit areas and a perimeter for security reasons. These are the same types of people that light shit on fire or turn over cars and then wonder why the cops are handing them their asses.
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nope cause they dispersed the crowed in a peacefull maner, those groups try their hardest to try to get police and politicians to do something wrong to further their cause (notice EVERYONE had a camera) and people get caught up in this and twist the "freedom of speach" and constitution 
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