If you hate the public option SO MUCH, what is your great idea?
Okay you insurance company nut-huggers. After you stop giving the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies everything they want, how would YOU fix healthcare if you don't like the idea of a public option?
Remember, you need to lower costs by about 50%, somehow get all Americans covered, and improve the quality of our care so we aren't ranked number 37 on the WHO list anymore.
Okay you insurance company nut-huggers. After you stop giving the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies everything they want, how would YOU fix healthcare if you don't like the idea of a public option?
Remember, you need to lower costs by about 50%, somehow get all Americans covered, and improve the quality of our care so we aren't ranked number 37 on the WHO list anymore.
GO!
Government controlled heath car because it works sooooo well. LOL I was watching the daily show and crystal said the military had the best health care what a joke. I wouldnt let an army doc ever do major surgery on me.
Okay you insurance company nut-huggers. After you stop giving the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies everything they want, how would YOU fix healthcare if you don't like the idea of a public option?
Remember, you need to lower costs by about 50%, somehow get all Americans covered, and improve the quality of our care so we aren't ranked number 37 on the WHO list anymore.
GO!
this isnt a requirement. you left wingers assume it is the publics responsibility to look after people who ruin their own health. how about we practice some personal responsibility? u eat crap all your life and ure fat and have diabeetus? too bad fatty, no free health care for your lard ass
first of all i would hang all the lawyers who file all these lawsuits against doctors and companies so that they wouldnt need multi billion dollar insurance policies. then i would enforce stricter standards for entering law school and stop passing incompetent students off as "doctors". college education is a joke. Require better OJT and intern and externships for anyone in the medical community, this would eliminate a lot of the incompetence that precipitates lawsuits. then i would lower the taxes on the pharmaceutical industry, this will bring down the cost of prescriptions. then i would probably offer tax breaks and investments into private pharmaceutical businesses to create more competition and lower costs. id probably also invest in more rehabilitation and treatment programs at low to no cost to drug abusers, to lower the health problems associated with drug use. id probably legalize drugs and tax them, thereby creating a tax income for use in healthcare related fields (drug treatment programs, community low cost health clinics, Etc)
there are plenty of things we can do about health care, i dont think the health care plan that congress is hiding is the answer
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Well I have nothing against socialized medicine per say, I just don't like the fact that our government is just throwing some piece of shit bill out there make it happen wothout doing any research of other countries systems and what issues they have to try and improve on it
Second, I don't think that most of the population in this country has the right metality to make socialized medicine work properly. Look at Sweden, their systems works well, but if you don't contribute you don't get anything, and their culture is into living healthy with not a huge amount of excess. Here we have become a culture of excesses and that has created the issues with health problems.
And I also agree about the lawyers being one of the biggest issues for our health care system costing so much, I have friends that are doctors and their insurance bills for liability and such on their practice is freaking absurd with out ever having been sued for malpractice.
Okay you insurance company nut-huggers. After you stop giving the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies everything they want, how would YOU fix healthcare if you don't like the idea of a public option?
Remember, you need to lower costs by about 50%, somehow get all Americans covered, and improve the quality of our care so we aren't ranked number 37 on the WHO list anymore.
GO!
For starters, the gov plan wont lower costs of anything. No gov plan EVER has. Second, as it is ALL Americans have access to health care. Go to a hospital they wont turn you away.
How do you get all Americans on health care? Well you can't because some people don't want it. Or are to lazy to go apply for the gov assistance that is already out there.
How can we lower the cost? I would start by not giving illegal immigrants free health care. If they can't come here the right way, we shouldn't have to pay from them. This get's into our border problems. This alone would save a lot of money.
As said above we need to do something about the lawsuits against doctors.
As I understand it you currently can't get health ins. from a company in another state. If you freed up the "free" market there would be more competition and prices could come down.
I know for a fact giving the government more power isn't the answer. And the fact that there trying to rush it through with out even reading it should have everyone in this country worried.
Does something need to be done sure. But a gov plan will kill the private sector. This will lead to a single payer plan, like the president has said he wants and Americans clearly don't want.
Charge illegals home country for medical services received
Have some kind of standardized cost system on common procedures
Limit the size of lawsuit rewards
Require insurance companies to be not-for-profit
Require hospitals to be not-for-profit
Allow drugs to be purchased from outside the U.S.
Do not allow drug companies to advertise on TV
That would be a start.. I'd prefer more regulation over outright socialism.
How about giving small farmers some of their rights back where healthy food is cheaper again, getting rid of the laws that allow major corporations like Monsanto to degrade our entire food supply, ridding ourselves of massive amounts of fluoride we ingest from the water + food supply + showering, etc., that should DRASTICALLY reduce the epidemic of sick/diseased/overweight people in our country.
Then, we can repeal the HMO act of 73 which drove up the cost of health care by requiring large businesses to provide health care to their employees, and allowing them to deduct it from the business' taxes... making it easier for the pharmaceutical and doctors to raise their rates to ridiculous levels, because those large corporations who got health insurance were able to pay much more because it was tax exempt... leaving individuals and small businesses unable to pay for their own health care. We went from #1 in the world by a VAST margin in health care, to a complete shame.
Oh, and allow doctors to prescribe what they want. For example, if the consumer is drinking things with splenda in it, it should be legal for the doctor to recommend stevia instead. Or if you have cancer prescribing a vitamin like B17 Laetrile instead of legally being forced to rush into chemotherapy. If the consumer has anxiety, multiple sclerosis, cataracts, or some other huge range of problems that medical marijuana has been proven to effect, doctors should be allowed to prescribe it instead of being forced to hand out the pharmaceutical option like Xanax or some other proven to be harmful drug. Nothing wrong with doctors becoming dieticians again. Doctors in this country have unfortunately been legally transformed into a group of people who's interests are keeping people sick and coming back for expensive treatment, not curing ills.
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How about giving small farmers some of their rights back where healthy food is cheaper again, getting rid of the laws that allow major corporations like Monsanto to degrade our entire food supply, ridding ourselves of massive amounts of fluoride we ingest from the water + food supply + showering, etc., that should DRASTICALLY reduce the epidemic of sick/diseased/overweight people in our country.
Then, we can repeal the HMO act of 73 which drove up the cost of health care by requiring large businesses to provide health care to their employees, and allowing them to deduct it from the business' taxes... making it easier for the pharmaceutical and doctors to raise their rates to ridiculous levels, because those large corporations who got health insurance were able to pay much more because it was tax exempt... leaving individuals and small businesses unable to pay for their own health care. We went from #1 in the world by a VAST margin in health care, to a complete shame.
Oh, and allow doctors to prescribe what they want. For example, if the consumer is drinking things with splenda in it, it should be legal for the doctor to recommend stevia instead. If the consumer has anxiety, multiple sclerosis, cataracts, or some other huge range of problems that medical marijuana has been proven to effect, doctors should be allowed to prescribe it instead of being forced to hand out the pharmaceutical option like xanax or some other proven to be harmful drug. Nothing wrong with doctors becoming dieticians again.
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Stevia is actually coming around now. You can buy it at regular grocery stores next to the aspartame. There is a couple brands actually.. Truvia, Sweet leaf, and Purevia are the three that I know of. Sprite has a new soda coming out soon that uses it as well.
Okay you insurance company nut-huggers. After you stop giving the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies everything they want, how would YOU fix healthcare if you don't like the idea of a public option?
Remember, you need to lower costs by about 50%, somehow get all Americans covered, and improve the quality of our care so we aren't ranked number 37 on the WHO list anymore.
GO!
i would leave well enough alone.
the only thing i would do is change the criteria for all the bullshit malpractice lawsuits. cosmetic surgery wouldn't be covered and you can only sue for cases of blatant negligence (such as a doc leaving a tool IN you). people would have to sign waivers that says that they understand that no medical procedure is 100% and there is a chance it won't work out. don't like it? take your chances with the illness or injury you're in the doc's office for.
once docs don't have to carry so much damn malpractice insurance, prices will drop a little bit.
oh and i would make medicaid available to only those who work or the working poor, fuck all the welfare bums. sometimes you gotta let nature take it's course.
You think the status quo of our health care system is FINE, Jim??
Why exactly do you think that? We pay twice as much as anyone else for lower quality care.
I'm glad to see some input here.
However, a word of insight about all of this malpractice stuff. You are focusing on correcting the wrong problem.
My dad is an ER doctor and his number one problem is NOT with malpractice. It is with the health insurance companies themselves. They pay whatever they feel like paying, tell the doctor what they can or can't do, screw over countless patients, require him to treat people without insurance because too many can't afford it, etc. The MAIN problem is the health insurance companies.
I don't see many options from you guys that really address the insurance companies. Why do you want to leave them alone so much? Do you love them? Do you think they are perfect and wonderful?
I just don't get why you guys are so damn friendly to those douchebags!!
Slomoe has the best ideas so far in my opinion.
Vegas, the problem with many of those home-like remedies is that they haven't been well researched yet. They need to be researched more, I agree. Doctors just don't give them much credence since they aren't typically FDA approved or researched in the major medical journals unfortunately.
However, making the companies non-profit isn't good enough. Hospitals, such as my dad's, have applied for non-profit status, but a loophole in the laws allows them to own subsidiaries that are actually FOR PROFIT but still get tax deductions as non-profits. That needs to stop RIGHT NOW.
Number one, ER doctors are on the low-end of the totem pole. I also have doctors in the family (plastic, derm and ophthalmology), and though you're right that the insurance companies, and their pay-outs are often times laughable, you or your father even thinking government healthcare is going to give the doctors what they need is fucking laughable. Doctors will be making less money because the government will then decide at a Nazi-esque level (moreso than any insurance company) what the pay-out will be on a procedure. I will guarantee a significant less amount for the doctor than any regular insurance company would pay-out.
Secondly, this drop in doctors' insurance fees, compliments of the government, will not only make many doctors simply retire, but it will also cause them to cut back on staff to compensate for the amount of money they're losing. It will also hinder people who have a passion to become doctors from actually trying to attain that level because of it's inadequate pay and government-run system. To balance that, I see hospitals and various clinics requiring less and less of new doctors and the healthcare you receive from the doctor will be significantly less.
You will also see a lot more preventative medicine in order to compensate for the amount of money list. That is, you go into a doctor's office with a headache, and he sends you off for a CT-Scan and a MRI. This is done now but you can bet it's going to be almost mandatory when government based healthcare becomes a reality.
I am around medical doctors constantly, and I'd say 99% of them at the Cleveland Clinic are not fond of this idea one bit. Not because they're greedy, but because they feel they deserve more than what the government is going to give them. And I agree 100% with them. When I go into a doctor's office, I want a board certified physician that is getting paid well and offers exceptional medical care. I do not want a doctor who's pissed because he's getting shafted by the government and will only see $20 out of my office visit and possible in-patient procedure.
I am also not fond of the government having my medical history on file. It's not their business what kind of medical condition(s) I have (or may get). You will see many more people with mental illnesses refuse to seek medical treatment for fear of the government knowing they have seen a psychologist or psychiatrist and that information biting them in the ass down the road when medical history becomes part of various background checks (don't worry, this will happen, too).
yep...the governmemnt run healthcare will only result in second rate doctors. it will eliminate competition..why would anyone go the extra mile knowing they are getting a standard rate from the govmnt, same as a shitty doc? there is no reason to compete, all the care is standard. when you standardize healthcare, youre going to lower the standard
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