If a liberal doesn't like marijuana, he doesn't smoke it.
If a conservative doesn't like marijuana, he goes to war against people who use it.
If a liberal is suspicious of an american muslim, he still wants the man innocent until proven guilty.
If a conservative is suspicious of an american muslim, he wants the person secretly detained indefinitely, waterboarded, and questioned until he confesses guilty to a pre-crime.
If a liberal finds a military tactic in violation of international law, he doesn't want to use it.
If a conservative finds a military tactic in violation of international law, he outsources the job to a private mercenary army (blackwater) to do dirty work for them.
If a liberal hears our media say Amedinijad said he wants Israel wiped off the face of the map, he wants to know the source of who made that false claim.
If a conservative hears our media say Amedinijad said he wants Israel wiped off the face of the map, he wants to use preemptive nuclear attacks on Iran to wipe THEM off the face of the map.
If a liberal doesn't agree with a protest, he doesn't participate in one.
A conservative will declare temporary martial law and shut the entire thing down with riot police and weapons used against Iraqi civilians.
In before I'm now labeled a liberal terrorist.
...just posting a few examples of the hypocrisy that is all.
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You are being foolish now. We just elected a ultra liberal Muslin man in into the White House who did drugs and is sending more troops to the Middle East!
If a liberal doesn't like marijuana, he doesn't smoke it.
Most liberals smoke marijuana.
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If a conservative doesn't like marijuana, he goes to war against people who use it.
If you mean enforce the law, then yes it's "war"
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If a liberal is suspicious of an american muslim, he still wants the man innocent until proven guilty.
If a conservative is suspicious of an american muslim, he wants the person secretly detained indefinitely, waterboarded, and questioned until he confesses guilty to a pre-crime.
Wait, didn't Obama just talk about indefinite detention for crimes accused terrorists MAY do in the future?
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If a liberal finds a military tactic in violation of international law, he doesn't want to use it.
Most liberals don't understand that "international law doesn't apply in every situation. When referencing the Geneva convention, Enemy combatant/Unlawful Combatant definitions may want to be read.
Enemy combatant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Unlawful combatant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The detainees were not fighting for a particular nation, which btw is in direct violation of the IHL or aka The Laws of War but since they're not a "nation" they don't have to abide by the IHL now do they?
So show me where the vast network of terrorist cells that are in practically every country fall under the definitions? If anything, have turned themselves into weapons, which btw the Geneca IHL permits attacks against "military objectives" if the military objective is to prevent the organizing, and carrying out of an attack on US soil or other civilian targets, then an attack on that military objective it could be argued that they are using themselves as weapons. Hence an acceptable military objective. You strap a bomb to yourself, or plan to do so, or drive a vehicle into a building laden with explosives, and you're the trigger man, or organizer, then yea. You're a weapon.
In effect, organized terror has gotten smart, they skirt the rules so they don't have to abide by any of them (sawing the heads off of their prisoners) but cry foul when someone flushes a qu'ran gets peed on, or someone is made to run nekkid or if a woman laughs at the tiny genitals of one of the prisoners. Now, waterboarding, cross the line, sure. However, making an unlawful combatant who has planned or is suspected of knowing of a potential plot is not going to volunteer information by making them comfy. I'm all for making them uncomfortable by blaring loud music, or making uncomfortably cold,or isolating them from their Qu'ran is not torture. If it were me, I'd put a wobbly pan of hot dog water in front of their cell call it pork water, and have people walk by it making it come perilously close to tipping over and flowing near the detainees feet. But I'm sure some of you would also call that "torture"
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If a conservative finds a military tactic in violation of international law, he outsources the job to a private mercenary army (blackwater) to do dirty work for them.
Not really sure how widespread this is.
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If a liberal hears our media say Amedinijad said he wants Israel wiped off the face of the map, he wants to know the source of who made that false claim.
So the video of him saying exactly that isn't enough?
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If a conservative hears our media say Amedinijad said he wants Israel wiped off the face of the map, he wants to use preemptive nuclear attacks on Iran to wipe THEM off the face of the map.
Funny, I don't see any rallies in the streets with "conxervatives' shooting guns into the air demanding we nuke Iran.
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If a liberal doesn't agree with a protest, he doesn't participate in one.
No but he labels the ones that do agree with the protest as "not real" or "Astro-Turf" AKA "FAKE" protesters, and calls them every name in the book.
Dissent, it's only American if it's against conservative values.
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A conservative will declare temporary martial law and shut the entire thing down with riot police and weapons used against Iraqi civilians.
This makes no sense.
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In before I'm now labeled a liberal terrorist.
...just posting a few examples of the hypocrisy that is all.
good call. Obama, a texbook liberal is doing many of the same things with regards to foreign policy that Bush did. So does that make Obama a Conservative, or does it make Bush a liberal?
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Vegas, are you suggesting that Ahmadinajhad did NOT call for the eradication of Jews and Israel?
NO, he didn't. I don't know how many times I'll have to explain this.
MEMRI = Middle East Media Research Institute, the company who translated his words claimed he made the statement that Israel deserves to be wiped off the face of the map.
It is a company created by a man who was in Israeli intelligence to 'translate' middle eastern dialect for western media consumption. Of course you're going to take their word for it because you've been preconditioned to take anything Israel and AIPAC says as gospel because that's what a good little propagandized American does in this screwed up country, but what Ahmadinejad ACTUALLY said, in Farsi, was "The zionist regime should be erased from the pages of time". In other words, zionism (and I don't mean Judaism - for the retarded) is an illegitimate ideology that doesn't justify the brutal occupation of Palestine, and therefore should not be recognized as legitimate.
Nor did he 'deny the holocaust happened'. The media just likes to take things he says and twist them to fit their agenda against Iran. Iranians have always been peaceful yet defensive. WE were the ones that overthrew Mossadeq because he wouldn't sell out their oil to British Petrolium in '53. We were the ones who installed the New World Order regime called the Shah who treated their people like garbage. WE were the ones who SUPPLIED SADDAM HUSSEIN to fight the IRANIANS in the 80s AFTER the Iranian people rebelled against OUR brutal governmental system we forced on Iran. WE were the ones who gave an executive order to fund the CIA in 2008 to "disrupt Iranian elections" according to Bush.
He never said the holocaust didn't happen. He made the statement that the holocaust was a lie to try to justify the legitimacy of the creation of Israel. I agree. Ignorance is bliss, so keep consuming that propaganda the mainstream media is spoon feeding you without checking out history and facts for yourself, I did at one point and was even allied with your ignorance on these boards.
Iran is one of the LAST sovereign countries on earth that does not belong to a world central banking system, that has their own currency, their own beliefs, and their own policies. They do not submit to the worlds demands to conform to a world government, and for that they are being demonized on a world wide scale as aggressive when WE are ALWAYS the aggressors against them. Historically ALWAYS.
You don't know any history about the war on drugs, nor do you know much of anything about marijuana, so I'll let this pass.
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Wait, didn't Obama just talk about indefinite detention for crimes accused terrorists MAY do in the future?
Most liberals don't understand that "international law doesn't apply in every situation.
Obviously you don't know what I was referring to when I talked about creating private mercenary groups to do the dirty work that the military simply can't do. Look up some of the atrocities Black water and Erik Prince committed, and to this day is still committing in Iraq. Only now you'll have to look up Xe Services LLC because the Media is done giving Blackwater shit now because they changed their name to ease the heat on Obama's regime. That's the strategy, good cop bad cop routine, we're done dealing with the 'bad cop' Bush, now we deal with 'good cop' Obama who is much nicer about being a complete scumbag.
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So the video of him saying exactly that isn't enough?
not when he didn't even say that according to many independent farsi speaking (even American) media companies. absolutely not.
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Funny, I don't see any rallies in the streets with "conxervatives' shooting guns into the air demanding we nuke Iran.
I see just as many conservatives discussing preemptive nukes on Iran EVEN ON TELEVISION as I hear liberals talk about shutting down Fox News, hypocrite
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No but he labels the ones that do agree with the protest as "not real" or "Astro-Turf" AKA "FAKE" protesters, and calls them every name in the book.
Dissent, it's only American if it's against conservative values.
point taken, only the part you missed about my post was that I differentiate between the values of what regular conservatives and liberals would LIKE to believe in, and what they actually believe in, because both parties knowledge of current events are so twisted, neither party (including yourself, sorry to be blunt) hasn't the slightest clue how bad they are being brainwashed by their OWN party from the people you see on TELEVISION who all believe in ELITISM, SLAVERY of the masses, and DEATH. Including newscasters. They have all been carefully selected over the years to create propaganda for your consumption. Only a few percent of the people in this world are psychopathic and megalomaniacs, nearly ALL of those who excel in government do so because of this trait, that is because the real power is looking for those types of people to carry out a specific agenda.
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This makes no sense.
It makes PERFECT sense, you just don't follow politics, you follow the mainstream media (propaganda branch of the government) who wont tell you whats going on. I'll give you hints, any recent protest (within the last 10 years) that has protested the creation of world government, riot police, martial law and sound weapons.
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good call. Obama, a texbook liberal is doing many of the same things with regards to foreign policy that Bush did. So does that make Obama a Conservative, or does it make Bush a liberal?
It makes them both evil and working TOGETHER. It makes you a retard for believing in a system of government that THEY want you to follow. I.E. republican or democrat. They are BOTH THE SAME PARTY, NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER. They create and package opinions for your consumption based on faulty information, thats why you're a neo conservative and don't think for yourself... because the republican party does the same thing to you that the democrats have gotten from the left. You believe that war = peace because you've been brainwashed to think that war is an American value. Liberals think big government = peace because they've been brainwashed to think that big government is good for individual security (healthcare, etc etc).
Both are historically so far off from the ideals this nation was founded on it is sickening, yet both you Republicans and Democrats keep falling for Edward Bernays style propaganda hook line and sinker, and destroying the country I learned to love as a child before I found out it is currently absolute SHIT.
This is exactly the country our founding fathers were TERRIFIED of us having, and its not 'because of Obama' its because of ALL OF THEM who are controlled by people you do NOT see on television. The English Empire won their war of 1812 in 1913 without a single shot being fired, the American public is just too fucking ignorant to realize it.
NO, he didn't. I don't know how many times I'll have to explain this.
MEMRI = Middle East Media Research Institute, the company who translated his words claimed he made the statement that Israel deserves to be wiped off the face of the map.
It is a company created by a man who was in Israeli intelligence to 'translate' middle eastern dialect for western media consumption. Of course you're going to take their word for it because you've been preconditioned to take anything Israel and AIPAC says as gospel because that's what a good little propagandized American does in this screwed up country, but what Ahmadinejad ACTUALLY said, in Farsi, was "The zionist regime should be erased from the pages of time". In other words, zionism (and I don't mean Judaism - for the retarded) is an illegitimate ideology that doesn't justify the brutal occupation of Palestine, and therefore should not be recognized as legitimate.
Nor did he 'deny the holocaust happened'. The media just likes to take things he says and twist them to fit their agenda against Iran. Iranians have always been peaceful yet defensive. WE were the ones that overthrew Mossadeq because he wouldn't sell out their oil to British Petrolium in '53. We were the ones who installed the New World Order regime called the Shah who treated their people like garbage. WE were the ones who SUPPLIED SADDAM HUSSEIN to fight the IRANIANS in the 80s AFTER the Iranian people rebelled against OUR brutal governmental system we forced on Iran. WE were the ones who gave an executive order to fund the CIA in 2008 to "disrupt Iranian elections" according to Bush.
He never said the holocaust didn't happen. He made the statement that the holocaust was a lie to try to justify the legitimacy of the creation of Israel. I agree. Ignorance is bliss, so keep consuming that propaganda the mainstream media is spoon feeding you without checking out history and facts for yourself, I did at one point and was even allied with your ignorance on these boards.
Iran is one of the LAST sovereign countries on earth that does not belong to a world central banking system, that has their own currency, their own beliefs, and their own policies. They do not submit to the worlds demands to conform to a world government, and for that they are being demonized on a world wide scale as aggressive when WE are ALWAYS the aggressors against them. Historically ALWAYS.
You're such a fucking puppet tool.
Iran was our ally before Carter fucked it all up. The Ayatollah took over and ffw 30 years, and we have what? A huge influx of terrorism the likes of which the world hasn't seen since just before Reagan.
Mossadeq was the Prime Minister. The ruling monarch was Mohammad Reza Palavi, he was the one overthrown by Khomeni in 79 IIRC. He remained in power after the coup-d'tat in 1953. So take your spin doctor yarns and look at BOTH sides. Irans current leadership is an expert at double speak and buying time to make their plots. more than 90% of all the fighting in Iran/Israel has been OFFENSIVE from the part of Iran. Who constantly launch Kassam Rockets into homes near the borders? Oh yea, it's the Iranian morons that want to "wipe the occupiers" off the map.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The article listed here describes Ahmaddinjads position on "the occupying force" being "wiped off the map" Who is (in their eyes) the "occupying force"? Is it Iran? No, is it the UK? No. Is it the US? No, not in Iran anyway. It's ISRAEL you dumb shit. So Ahmadinejad may not have literally said "Israel" you know who the fuck he meant.
If Ahmadinejad wasn't a holocaust denier, then why did his opponent call him on it? Let me guess, it was US? You're a fucking anti-semetic racist you pile of shit. The Iranian people wanted Ahmadinejad out! We'll never know if Mir Hossein Mousavi really won the election because Ahmadinejad was in control of the election. He who counts the vote has the control, not the one who casts the ballot. YOU'RE PATHETICALLY blinded by who knows what.
Just for arguments sake, if all this shit you're spouting is wrong, then answer these questions:
Why did Mir Hossein Mousavi condemn Ahmadinejads position on the Holocaust?
Why did Ahmadinejad censor ANY news agency reporting the events after the elections when unknown thousands protested the outcome?
Why have cell groups like Hezbollah, the Mujahadeen, the PLO, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, ALL have extensive ties to the current "government" in Iran?
Why was Mousavi so popular yet only got "32%" of the vote?
Wake up and smell the burning flesh. The Iranian people are NOT this entire nation of radicals and assfucks. For the most part, there's a significant percentage of Iranians that are tired of all the fighting. I have a neighbor who owns a food mfg company locally and he speaks fluent Arabic, he lived in Iran for 28 years. He watches Al_Jazeera on a regular basis, I asked him about Ahmadinejad, and his exact words "He's a modern day Hitler, and the west doesn't even realize it" It's eery how he described the one of your post very well. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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I'm not going to argue with yet another ignorant neocon who wants to label me anti-semetic for actually knowing history and not licking Israeli ass, its tiring. Believe what you want to believe, I'll continue being a student of history. I'm really tired of being called anti semetic when I bring up FACTS, like how MY BRETHREN were killed on the USS Liberty by the Israeli military and the survivors of the attack want an investigation to be done against Israel and are completely ignored as 'conspiracy theorists'. Fuck you you anti American, keep sucking that Israeli cock and shunning your own troops.
Just for shits though, you do know that there are entire branches of AIPAC that use the internet to espouse 'pro Israeli' propaganda, as well as Israel using a portion of their nations budget to hire Israeli students to combat anti Israeli internet dissent right? Good luck finding out the truth on wikipedia. Of course actually looking up NON ISRAELI sources who speak farsi completely fluently would be too much to ask.
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I'm not going to argue with yet another ignorant neocon who wants to label me anti-semetic for actually knowing history and not licking Israeli ass, its tiring. Believe what you want to believe, I'll continue being a student of history. I'm really tired of being called anti semetic when I bring up FACTS, like how MY BRETHREN were killed on the USS Liberty by the Israeli military and the survivors of the attack want an investigation to be done against Israel and are completely ignored as 'conspiracy theorists'. Fuck you you anti American, keep sucking that Israeli cock and shunning your own troops.
Just for shits though, you do know that there are entire branches of AIPAC that use the internet to espouse 'pro Israeli' propaganda, as well as Israel using a portion of their nations budget to hire Israeli students to combat anti Israeli internet dissent right? Good luck finding out the truth on wikipedia. Of course actually looking up NON ISRAELI sources who speak farsi completely fluently would be too much to ask.
The only "student" of history you're being is the version of history that the likes of Ahmadinejad want you to see. Quit tap dancing around the questions and address the question about Mousavi. Or are you too busy planning for your next klan rally? Oh and as bad as the "attack" was on the Liberty, the ship was falsely identified as an Egyptian ship. Israel was at war with Egypt, and unfortunately damage from friendly fire happens in wartime.
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