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ACORN and Anita Dunn, while despicable, are warts on the backside of a Tyrannosaurus rex. It’s Beck’s job to keep us focused on the small stuff while the beast continues its quest to enslave the entire world and turn it into a prison planet based on the very slave plantation Beck criticizes.
While I disagree with 90% of the paranoia and misinformation you just said in your post, I will agree in that point. Beck focuses on 'small stuff' or complete illusions while the rest of the world goes to hell.
The kind of person who will focus on communist red under the bed fantasies while our rights are stripped by politicians feeding at the corporate lobbyist troughs.
All of this socialism stuff is just bullshit. As I have said in the past, it's more about corporate power and the abuse of capitalism. The abuse continues just as well under a left wing government as it did under the previous right wing government. The paranoid delusions of the right wing about communists/socialism are a sideshow for the simple minded. While the corporations empty the coffers.
So republican senators are standing up for the rights of corporations to take cases of rape to internal arbitration instead of into a court of law. They spout concerns about invasive 'big government' sticking their nose into business contacts. So when a young woman working for KBR is gang raped in Iraq, she has no legal recourse. We also have recorded instances of KBR and Haliburton raping/murdering Iraqi citizens without charge. A situation where employees of corporations are exempt from the law?
Republican voters should be up in arms about this. Their 'representatives' siding with the corporation on such an obviously indefensible situation.
Beck won't speak of this because he would rather devote airtime to some screw up ACORN employees and some more red under the bed delusions. You won't see that corporate media (yes Fox is corporate media) whore speaking out against his corporate masters. He'd rather appease the paranoid, the government haters, the barely literate with fairy tales and distractions.
Also, why does the right tend to fixate on issues which a 12 year old could resolve. Example, the use of the word czar. Right wingers putting the use of that word forward as if it was some evidence of 'socialism' under Obama. If you have ever done that you are a fucking moron, case close. Drug czar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Reason: czar nimwits
While I disagree with 90% of the paranoia and misinformation you just said in your post, I will agree in that point. Beck focuses on 'small stuff' or complete illusions while the rest of the world goes to hell.
The kind of person who will focus on communist red under the bed fantasies while our rights are stripped by politicians feeding at the corporate lobbyist troughs.
All of this socialism stuff is just bullshit. As I have said in the past, it's more about corporate power and the abuse of capitalism. The abuse continues just as well under a left wing government as it did under the previous right wing government. The paranoid delusions of the right wing about communists/socialism are a sideshow for the simple minded. While the corporations empty the coffers.
So republican senators are standing up for the rights of corporations to take cases of rape to internal arbitration instead of into a court of law. They spout concerns about invasive 'big government' sticking their nose into business contacts. So when a young woman working for KBR is gang raped in Iraq, she has no legal recourse. We also have recorded instances of KBR and Haliburton raping/murdering Iraqi citizens without charge. A situation where employees of corporations are exempt from the law?
Republican voters should be up in arms about this. Their 'representatives' siding with the corporation on such an obviously indefensible situation.
Beck won't speak of this because he would rather devote airtime to some screw up ACORN employees and some more red under the bed delusions. You won't see that corporate media (yes Fox is corporate media) whore speaking out against his corporate masters. He'd rather appease the paranoid, the government haters, the barely literate with fairy tales and distractions.
Also, why does the right tend to fixate on issues which a 12 year old could resolve. Example, the use of the word czar. Right wingers putting the use of that word forward as if it was some evidence of 'socialism' under Obama. If you have ever done that you are a fucking moron, case close. Drug czar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While I agree that this specific case, should warrant a look at the allegations, I don't necessarily look at the decision of the 30 as a direct response to the Jaime Leigh Jones case.
When you look up Mandatory Arbitration Mandatory arbitration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and take a look at the bill that was introduced in 07
H.R. 3010--Introduced.
Arbitration Fairness Act of 2007 - Declares that no predispute arbitration agreement shall be valid or enforceable if it requires arbitration of: (1) an employment, consumer, or franchise dispute, or (2) a dispute arising under any statute intended to protect civil rights or to regulate contracts or transactions between parties of unequal bargaining power. Declares, further, that the validity or enforceability of an agreement to arbitrate shall be determined by a court, under federal law, rather than an arbitrator, irrespective of whether the party resisting arbitration challenges the arbitration agreement specifically or in conjunction with other terms of the contract containing such agreement. Exempts arbitration provisions in collective bargaining agreements from this Act.
So I question the dissenting 30 just stating that simply because a company has a mandatory arbitration policy, it shouldn't preclude it from doing business with the US Gov't.
Circuit City, Hooter’s, Dillard’s Department Stores, Cisco Systems, Anheuser-Busch, and thousands of other companies currently have mandatory arbitration laws mainly to prevent frivolous lawsuits for shit like slip and fall etc. Passing blanket reform like what Franken passed because of the inherit good that it may have caused is evident of his ignorance of the full effect of passing laws purely on emotional reasons. In other words, Franken and the rest of the people that voted FOR this bill behaved like women on the rag. Kneejerk emotional. You really WANT these people in charge? Why didn't you look INTO the reason for the dissenting opinion? Did you REALLY buy the DNC lie that "they support rapists"? You need to add gullible to your username somehow.
There's a local talk show here called "Left of the Dial" it's on once a week, and they brought this case up. I'm paraphrasing because his delivery was soo emotional
"Those Republicans are saying its OKAY to do business with a company that rapes it's employees and covers it up" Um, that's a bit of a stretch. No, that's actually a HUGE stretch. The R's that dissented looked at how the passage of that bill would A: Effect other companies, and B: would it have done ANY good for Jamie before or after her horrible ordeal?
If the individuals are found guilty, I hope they're tried in Iraq, I think the penalty for rape there is death. There's your justice.
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Lawmaking gets dirty quick. Any time you have a group using something so outrageous and emotional as this - you might look a little closer at what they're peddling. That, and when they tack a catchy name on it that makes it sound like a no-brainer... the devil is in the details.
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Oh and to jump on your gullibility about the whole Czar thing. The problem with Czars isn't the name. It's the lack of vetting, and their BLATANT support of socialistic and/or communistic principles. The Obama administration and some of his czars, have embraced socialist, even communist principles.
Mark Lloyd, & Cass Sunstein have made very socialist/communist leanings
Tell me who you’re with and I’ll tell you who you are. Obama surrounds himself with people that embrace socialist/communist ideals. Oh and before you make the claim that socialism and communism are not related, you may want to read wiki on it.
The term “Socialist” is mentioned 27 times in the wikipedia and “socialism” is mentioned 21 times in that same definition. In fact, here’s a direct quote:
“Forerunners of communist ideas existed in antiquity and particularly in the 18th and early 19th century France, with thinkers such as Jean-Jacques Rousseau and the more radical Gracchus Babeuf. Radical egalitarianism then emerged as a significant political power in the first half of 19th century in Western Europe. In the world shaped by the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution, the newly established political left included many various political and intellectual movements, which are the direct ancestors of today’s communism and socialism – these two then newly minted words were almost interchangeable at the time – and of anarchism or anarcho-communism.”
So while technically Socialism and Communism are different in their origins, their merger made them interrelated as it has been since The Bolshevik revolution.
He is not a libertarian. He is a charlatan media scumbag. All he does is create public fear, create boogeymen and fill people's heads with jibberish and paranoia.
He is about making money, he is an entertainer not a journalist and realist. The real problem is some poorly educated people and dis-enfranchised believe what he says and lack the cognitive reasoning skills to discern truth from Beck fiction.
Those are the people shouting 'communist/socialist/terrorist/muslim/non-us citizen' at Obama. They are quite simply insane and have lost their ability to use rationalism and enter into any dialogue based on facts. They'd rather get more paranoid, more extreme. This shit is cotton candy for the rotten tooth these people call a brain.
A liberal that lives in San Fransicko??? Say it aint so.
While I disagree with 90% of the paranoia and misinformation you just said in your post, I will agree in that point. Beck focuses on 'small stuff' or complete illusions while the rest of the world goes to hell.
give me an example of this misinformation? its all true, you can disagree with the resulting conclusion, but none of it is misinformation. This should be common knowledge, oh but thats right, you're a slave to some other faux news station other than fox, because you're on the blue team.
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"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day. But a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (administrations), too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to slavery." - Thomas Jefferson
give me an example of this misinformation? its all true, you can disagree with the resulting conclusion, but none of it is misinformation. This should be common knowledge, oh but thats right, you're a slave to some other faux news station other than fox, because you're on the blue team.
Why give a single example...just quote the entire post.
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There is no definition for terrorist. Because if there was, the United States could be in that group! -I8URVR6 - "Patriotic Terrorist!"
give me an example of this misinformation? its all true, you can disagree with the resulting conclusion, but none of it is misinformation. This should be common knowledge, oh but thats right, you're a slave to some other faux news station other than fox, because you're on the blue team.
I wonder how much alex jones makes off his show and DVD sales..
enough to fund an entire investigative staff of syndicated journalists, trips worldwide, webmasters, hr reps, advertisements, and personal/family living expenses, among other things I'm sure.
I'm still waiting for someone to disprove a fact that is posted in that article, instead of getting the usual slapstick 'why do that when you can quote the entire thing har har' response.
He releases his DVD documentaries virally for free on the internet and encourages people to copy them/burn them and spread them out, by the way.
While I disagree with 90% of the paranoia and misinformation you just said in your post, I will agree in that point. Beck focuses on 'small stuff' or complete illusions while the rest of the world goes to hell.
The kind of person who will focus on communist red under the bed fantasies while our rights are stripped by politicians feeding at the corporate lobbyist troughs.
All of this socialism stuff is just bullshit. As I have said in the past, it's more about corporate power and the abuse of capitalism. The abuse continues just as well under a left wing government as it did under the previous right wing government. The paranoid delusions of the right wing about communists/socialism are a sideshow for the simple minded. While the corporations empty the coffers.
So republican senators are standing up for the rights of corporations to take cases of rape to internal arbitration instead of into a court of law. They spout concerns about invasive 'big government' sticking their nose into business contacts. So when a young woman working for KBR is gang raped in Iraq, she has no legal recourse. We also have recorded instances of KBR and Haliburton raping/murdering Iraqi citizens without charge. A situation where employees of corporations are exempt from the law?
Republican voters should be up in arms about this. Their 'representatives' siding with the corporation on such an obviously indefensible situation.
Beck won't speak of this because he would rather devote airtime to some screw up ACORN employees and some more red under the bed delusions. You won't see that corporate media (yes Fox is corporate media) whore speaking out against his corporate masters. He'd rather appease the paranoid, the government haters, the barely literate with fairy tales and distractions.
Also, why does the right tend to fixate on issues which a 12 year old could resolve. Example, the use of the word czar. Right wingers putting the use of that word forward as if it was some evidence of 'socialism' under Obama. If you have ever done that you are a fucking moron, case close. Drug czar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
its funny how you have half of the picture and the right has the other half, but altogether you're all clueless. you both ignore your own philosophical weakness in order to feel more comfortable targeting the others'.
You're right about the things you said on all cases about corporations, that vote and how it went down, etc. What you fail to realize, as a typical left winger getting your information from left wing news outlets, is that the 'big business' problem is a governmental problem, not a private one. Those who own these corporations are the same ones who go to the real centers of government. The trilateral commission, the council on foreign relations, the bilderberg group, the kissinger associates, et al. These corporations are owned by the same people who own the government.
Ever since the FCC was created they have intentionally worked to brainwash/'teach' and pit the leftists (pro big government who hates big business) against the righties (pro big business who hates big government) against each other so the average republican/democrat dolt is always left with some mystical force that nobody can identify to blame things on (random communists having crazy ideas, incompetent c average morons with a cowboy complex). As funny as those stereotypes may be, its all a fucking act to make the big lie seem like obvious truth to you.
'OMG look its so obvious hes a communist!! hes got this chick talking about how great Mao is! the left is so blind and smug!'
'OMG look how obvious how dumb bush is! he cant even pronounce terrorist and is constantly screwing up his speeches! What an idiot LOL the right wingers are such stupid hicks!'
I find this quote by Hitler to be one of the best to exemplify this type of propaganda. Hitler learned his propaganda techniques from western secret societies (his was the satanic Thule society which he joined in 1919), he was no fool to the NWO plot, he was a mere offshoot.
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All this was inspired by the principle–which is quite true in itself–that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
Another good quote comes from Hitler’s propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels:
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That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.
The propaganda techniques in the western governments have only progressed since the days of Hitler, largely in part due to the work of Edward Bernays (the nephew of Sigmund Freud). We now have the scientific propaganda machine that Aldous Huxley wrote about in Animal Farm and A Brave New World, and it is working beautifully.
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So republican senators are standing up for the rights of corporations to take cases of rape to internal arbitration instead of into a court of law. They spout concerns about invasive 'big government' sticking their nose into business contacts. So when a young woman working for KBR is gang raped in Iraq, she has no legal recourse. We also have recorded instances of KBR and Haliburton raping/murdering Iraqi citizens without charge. A situation where employees of corporations are exempt from the law?
Are you high?
Rape is still illegal, a rape victim still has legal recourse in the matter. The perpetrators will still face criminal and, if the victim so chooses, civil charges. What would make you believe anything otherwise? Just another misunderstanding on the liberal's part, trying to make the right look like monsters (both sides do a good job on their own sometimes, they don't need the help).
Perhaps one way this type of matter can be addressed is by not lumping a bunch of things into one bill, especially when they are unrelated. The Republicans weren't voting to make rape legal or okay, as you seem to think. They were against other aspects of the bill.
Rape is still illegal, a rape victim still has legal recourse in the matter. The perpetrators will still face criminal and, if the victim so chooses, civil charges. What would make you believe anything otherwise? Just another misunderstanding on the liberal's part, trying to make the right look like monsters (both sides do a good job on their own sometimes, they don't need the help).
Perhaps one way this type of matter can be addressed is by not lumping a bunch of things into one bill, especially when they are unrelated. The Republicans weren't voting to make rape legal or okay, as you seem to think. They were against other aspects of the bill.
Good lord you can't be this dumb.
jim
It was senate amendment # 2588 to H.R. 3326 that was voted against, not an entire bill, the amendment states:
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Statement of Purpose: To prohibit the use of funds for any Federal contract with Halliburton Company, KBR, Inc., any of their subsidiaries or affiliates, or any other contracting party if such contractor or a subcontractor at any tier under such contract requires that employees or independent contractors sign mandatory arbitration clauses regarding certain claims.
Vote Counts: YEAs 68
NAYs 30
Not Voting 2
This is in regards to an overseas legal issue. It was not about legalizing rape in the united states if that's what you were assuming...
Rape is still illegal, a rape victim still has legal recourse in the matter. The perpetrators will still face criminal and, if the victim so chooses, civil charges. What would make you believe anything otherwise? Just another misunderstanding on the liberal's part, trying to make the right look like monsters (both sides do a good job on their own sometimes, they don't need the help).
Perhaps one way this type of matter can be addressed is by not lumping a bunch of things into one bill, especially when they are unrelated. The Republicans weren't voting to make rape legal or okay, as you seem to think. They were against other aspects of the bill.
Good lord you can't be this dumb.
jim
Yeah he is. Sad really. All those brain cells lost in bong resin.
Hey Vegas, as I read more of your posts, I see that you're actually pretty balanced. I picked apart one of your posts and silly me I went to town. Anyway, what are your thoughts on Network Neutrality?
He isn't republican for sure but like me but has reservations about the Libertarians isolation of America and the sign off off of abortion.
He did a number on Acorn, you must admit.
The truth hurts both sides!
Beck is wrong though, Libertarians are not in favor of isolationism....they are in favor of the opposite. Its like when Ron Paul was running and people starting saying that about him. I look at it like we should negotiate less with weapons and utilize real free trade and work with countries instead of letting corporations and the world banks rape the 3rd world and selling their cheap garbage in our walmarts. Seems to me wanting to better relationships with neighbors is not isolationism.
Beck is wrong though, Libertarians are not in favor of isolationism....they are in favor of the opposite. Its like when Ron Paul was running and people starting saying that about him. I look at it like we should negotiate less with weapons and utilize real free trade and work with countries instead of letting corporations and the world banks rape the 3rd world and selling their cheap garbage in our walmarts. Seems to me wanting to better relationships with neighbors is not isolationism.
exactly.
'Free trade with all, entangling alliances with none.' That is an American creed that libertarians like Ron Paul adhere to. I cannot remember who made that quote at the moment but it was one of our founders.
The term isolationism is pushed nonstop by the left and right wing of the governments media branch to subconsciously put it in peoples minds that if we are not going to war for whatever particular reason, we are weakening ourselves and keeping ourselves vulnerable to attack. Historically it works exactly the opposite, but the truth is irrelevant because the people don't understand history beyond what the government's public school systems taught them.
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