I saw in the history channel a while back a show on Dracula. One part that jumped out at me was how he eliminated disease and poverty from his kingdom. What he did was invite all the poor and the sick to a feast in his palace. Then he locked the doors and burned the place to the ground.
Now to me that doesn't see all that different from say Hitler and everything he did. And sense he got his ideas from the eugenics programs of the progressive's in the US. And liberals of today talk of the progressives as a good thing (Hillary said she is one).
Am I the only one going to make that jump?
Look on page 1252 of the health care plan, it says after the old people have there end of life talk with there doctor they get to go to a feast.
Is it really that much of a stretch? I mean there's no question Hitler was a "lefty". And some of his ideas came from the American left. And I don't see how there idea's of eliminating the inferior, and his idea of burning them is really any different.
He went to war with dozens of countries, killed millions of innocent people, used fear as a propaganda tool, and glorified the censorship of books.
Sounds like a right wing extremist to me.
Why do you think it is that skinheads and other Nazi supporters in this country are ALWAYS hard core conservatives?
Fuck you are an idiot. Stalin did those very same things guess what he was a "lefty". Hitler ran on a socialist platform as in National Socialism, which is still a leftist idea. Nazi skins embraced the racial component of national socialism and are fucking clueless to what a real Nazi would have thought of those low life douches.
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He went to war with dozens of countries, killed millions of innocent people, used fear as a propaganda tool, and glorified the censorship of books.
Sounds like a right wing extremist to me.
Sounds like you're a victim of American re-education/propaganda thanks to the public schooling system. I argued this point to my American government teacher in public school because the textbook used the ridiculous new aged 'political spectrum' that puts fascism and Hitler's socialism on the far right, and I won because it is pure bullshit and makes NO sense.
The "Left vs. Right" paradigm went something like this when it actually MADE SENSE before the public schools decided to structure themselves like Lenin's Russian Schools:
LEFT = Bigger government
RIGHT = Smaller government
Oligarchy (complete rule by the few )= Far left
Republic (rule of law) = Center
Anarchy (mob rule, no government) = Far right
Examples of oligarchy:
Political:
Dictatorship = Rule by one - enforced by council
Monarchy = Rule by one - enforced by parliaments
Democracy = Rule of the majority over the rest
Economic:
Communism = People are slaves to the rule of a committee or some ruling body.
Fascism = Economic rule of the government by corporations, or the corporations are run by government
Socialism = Societal rule over the many by the government
Republic = Rule of LAW, where 99 percent cannot violate the constitutional rights of the remaining 1 percent, and there is no one man no matter the stature in said society who can overrule the law.
A Republic belongs in the center (or balanced toward the right when you consider almost every society in history has been left wing, or total control of government)
Economic:
Laissez Faire Capitalism = free market principles bound by the rule of the law of a Republic. Free markets cannot permanently exist in any other form of political structure.
Anarchy = Mob rule. Almost always a temporary transition between one form of government to another.
What America is today, by my best definition, is a Quasi-Democratic Fascist Dictatorship. Go figure.
What America was yesterday, was a Constitutional Republic.
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Why do you think it is that skinheads and other Nazi supporters in this country are ALWAYS hard core conservatives?
Because the far left played off American racism against blacks, and racists are typically southern, the south provided a perfect staging ground for the merger of groups like the KKK to Nazism. This is why you found a lot of should be Nazi's like Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) speaking to the KKK during the peak of Hitlers regime. It has nothing to do with the political structure to a lot of these 'right wing nazis' in the south. They are just stupid, kind of like you.
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He went to war with dozens of countries, killed millions of innocent people, used fear as a propaganda tool, and glorified the censorship of books.
Sounds like a right wing extremist to me.
Why do you think it is that skinheads and other Nazi supporters in this country are ALWAYS hard core conservatives?
Hitler was a socialist, that is the path of the left. The Nazi's (national socialist) had a national health care system. He got many of his ideas from the progressives (Hillary)in the US and there eugenics programs. There ideas of breeding out the inferior. Hitler did the same, getting rid of the weak. Does that sound very conservative?
Hitler was a huge environmentalist, and into health foods. Seems a little lefty to me.
The Nazi's, nationalized industry, they were big gov. Sounds more left like to me.
Those skin heads aren't conservative in anyway. They are crazy nut jobs, the left call conservatives.
Hitler came to power by basically taking over the left in Germany. He did that, because they appealed to the same base.
Assuming Hitler was right wing, at most he could have been a right wing socialist, which by today's standards isn't very right wing or conservative.
Although wikipedia can't always be trusted, they do say that Nazism is right wing. The reason is because of this article they sourced:
Fritzsche, Peter. 1998. Germans into Nazis. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press; Eatwell, Roger, Fascism, A History, Viking/Penguin, 1996, pp.xvii-xxiv, 21, 26–31, 114–140, 352. Griffin, Roger. 2000. "Revolution from the Right: Fascism," chapter in David Parker (ed.) Revolutions and the Revolutionary Tradition in the West 1560-1991, Routledge, London.
Also, neo-nazis are considered on the extreme right. Nazism also embodied extreme patriotism, validated torture, censorship, hatred against the Jews, attacking innocent countries, etc.
I would define them as a right-wing totalitarian regime. I think that is the best definition. Most historical scholars would agree with this, I think.
The wikipedia article also goes on to say that the Nazi's criticized the social democrats and Weimar government, both of which were left-wing. So if Nazi's were so left wing, why would they criticize left wing groups?
They had elements of both, but the vast majority of Nazism is definitely on the right.
Don't forget that they hated Russians and attacked communism constantly.
They also persecuted homosexuals. That DEFINITELY sounds like the right to me.
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^ Still can't let go of your crutch. Us vs. them, left vs. right - you are a fool of the worst kind and will ensure the downfall of this county in no time.
Although wikipedia can't always be trusted, they do say that Nazism is right wing. The reason is because of this article they sourced:
Fritzsche, Peter. 1998. Germans into Nazis. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press; Eatwell, Roger, Fascism, A History, Viking/Penguin, 1996, pp.xvii-xxiv, 21, 26–31, 114–140, 352. Griffin, Roger. 2000. "Revolution from the Right: Fascism," chapter in David Parker (ed.) Revolutions and the Revolutionary Tradition in the West 1560-1991, Routledge, London.
Also, neo-nazis are considered on the extreme right. Nazism also embodied extreme patriotism, validated torture, censorship, hatred against the Jews, attacking innocent countries, etc.
I would define them as a right-wing totalitarian regime. I think that is the best definition. Most historical scholars would agree with this, I think.
The wikipedia article also goes on to say that the Nazi's criticized the social democrats and Weimar government, both of which were left-wing. So if Nazi's were so left wing, why would they criticize left wing groups?
They had elements of both, but the vast majority of Nazism is definitely on the right.
Don't forget that they hated Russians and attacked communism constantly.
They also persecuted homosexuals. That DEFINITELY sounds like the right to me.
Hitler attacked the left, because he new he could get there followers to follow him sense they had similar views. Then he would go after the "right". He hated communism your right, I don't totally get that. A socialist hating a communist is kind of a pot calling the kettle black?
Someone who is conservative, wants smaller government and support capitalism and the free market. It's the complete opposite of socialism's big government and nationalized industries. If it wasn't for the hole killing of the Jew's the left would have admired Hitler to this day.
Yes, Hitler was racist. If you go back far enough you'll find racism on both sides of the fence. Look at Woodrow Wilson, he was a progressive, or liberal and a racist. A conservative tend to be religious, and they don't agree with homosexuality. But, that's a long way from wanting them all dead. I consider myself a conservative, but two of my best friends are gay. If they want to smoke pole, more power to them.
^ Still can't let go of your crutch. Us vs. them, left vs. right - you are a fool of the worst kind and will ensure the downfall of this county in no time.
+1, republican, democrat it doesn't matter. The last election our choice was a big government republican and a bigger government democrat. Either one would have spent way to much money and taken our country in the same direction. One just works faster than the other.
If we keep growing government, there wont be enough tax money in the world to pay our bills.
+1, republican, democrat it doesn't matter. The last election our choice was a big government republican and a bigger government democrat. Either one would have spent way to much money and taken our country in the same direction. One just works faster than the other.
If we keep growing government, there wont be enough tax money in the world to pay our bills.
Already, 33% of everything I make goes to the government. It's too late. Unless we completely wiped out the government and started with a clean slate (which is impossible) and revisited all of our laws, using the constitution (also impossible) we're going down just like every other "empire" in the history of mankind. Even if we could do all that and start over, we'd still be human, and thus, fail in time. It's just the nature of "progress".
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^ Still can't let go of your crutch. Us vs. them, left vs. right - you are a fool of the worst kind and will ensure the downfall of this county in no time.
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