Looks like Attorney General Holder is beginning to dismantle the CIA with Obama's blessing. I'd love to see what you "progressives" think about this development.
There are things done by the Military, CIA, and other like organizations, that civil, God -fearing/godless, good Americans are better off not knowing about. It would disturb and scare the hell out of you and them. 95% of you fall into this category.
Let the CIA and Military do the job need be done, to allow you to sleep safe in the comfort of your cozy little homes at night.
This is yet another left wing "idealology" that they believe no one is truely "bad", just misunderstood. Nothing a few hugs won't cure. It's only a matter of time until we get another 9/11 bloody nose. Remember mr clinton severly curtailed the CIA's ability to conduct espionage and gather intelligence to prevent such a tragedy. (I am guessing this is where smooger will say it was the FBI's job to catch GWB planting bombs, right?)
Nothing like letting our guard down during the middle of a fight!
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They have already been probed and this is the dismantlement. It's no secret, the CIA are losing their best people because of threats of our Governemnt.
and history repeats it self. just like under clinton the cia funding is being cut and once again we will fall behind the curve on covert intelligence. Russia's intel services (FSB, SVR, GRU)will once again gain the upper hand. I dont agree with a lot of things the CIA does but they are necessary for the security of the US.
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There are things done by the Military, CIA, and other like organizations, that civil, God -fearing/godless, good Americans are better off not knowing about. It would disturb and scare the hell out of you and them. 95% of you fall into this category.
Noam Chomsky actually does a good job detailing some of the great things the CIA has done abroad in the name of America. Some of them include:
- Bombing churches
- Funding terrorist groups
- Installing dictators
- Assassinating church leaders in El Salvador and Guatemala
Also subjectivity does exist despite simple minded right wingers trying to deny such a post-modern concept.. You might prefer the simple dichotomies of good and evil as provided to you by your weekend church group but the reality is that different cultural groups perceive actions differently.
The US having miltary bases in Saudi Arabia is perceived a lot differently by a member of Al Qaeda who sees it as an act of imperialistic aggression from the United States, a sacrilegious offence against the kingdom of Islam to have infidels in the holy land. When such an action occurs those guys think it is acceptable to start a holy war against the infidels invading their holy land.
While you probably see it as a means of securing energy reserves in the region and harmless for the most part. That's subjectivity. It's not hard to grasp it. You see the terrorists as 'evil', the terrorists see you (imperialist United States) as 'evil'. I know it's complex and you won't see glenn beck talking about it so you might need to turn the TV off and read a book for a change.
Noam Chomsky actually does a good job detailing some of the great things the CIA has done abroad in the name of America. Some of them include:
- Bombing churches
- Funding terrorist groups
- Installing dictators
- Assassinating church leaders in El Salvador and Guatemala
Also subjectivity does exist despite simple minded right wingers trying to deny such a post-modern concept.. You might prefer the simple dichotomies of good and evil as provided to you by your weekend church group but the reality is that different cultural groups perceive actions differently.
The US having miltary bases in Saudi Arabia is perceived a lot differently by a member of Al Qaeda who sees it as an act of imperialistic aggression from the United States, a sacrilegious offence against the kingdom of Islam to have infidels in the holy land. When such an action occurs those guys think it is acceptable to start a holy war against the infidels invading their holy land.
While you probably see it as a means of securing energy reserves in the region and harmless for the most part. That's subjectivity. It's not hard to grasp it. You see the terrorists as 'evil', the terrorists see you (imperialist United States) as 'evil'. I know it's complex and you won't see glenn beck talking about it so you might need to turn the TV off and read a book for a change.
i agree with the whole eye of the beholder thing, however, US troops dont go cutting the heads off of people just because they are muslim or ally with muslims. We dont blow up entire markets killing dozens of innocent people. We dont kill journalists and we dont kill indiscriminantly. for the most part (there are always going to be some bad seeds) the US military lives by a sense of humanity and most want to help people in need. the CIA may do some shady things and yes i agree that a lot of sheep will be blinded by the glamour of it- "they do these things to defend freedom" all in all though, im sure most CIA agents also live by a sense of humanity
US troops dont go cutting the heads off of people just because they are muslim or ally with muslims.
No, but they fund organisations who do cut people's heads off. The CIA trained and funded the group now known as Al Qaeda in the 80s, training them in infiltration techniques, torture techniques and so on. The training was done so they could be more effective counter-insurgents against the Russians.
Perhaps the muslims added beheadings to spice things up, but thanks to the training/funds from the CIA they became a far more effective terrorist organisations against the CIA.
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We dont blow up entire markets killing dozens of innocent people. We dont kill journalists and we dont kill indiscriminantly.
When the CIA supports death squads in El Salvador because they want to keep a certain dictator in power then technically 'we', the American people are working through the CIA to achieve those goals. When the CIA/US supports Saddam Hussein in the war vs Iran and training Saddam's terrorist interrogators then we are supporting it. The CIA has organized bombings of civilians and assassinations in latin America, much of it has been documented by Chomsky and other writers..
Of course the US government doesn't want it's populace to think the CIA does some nasty things so they attempt to restrict information about it (US government moves to gag terrorist on CIA ties)
As for the sense of humanity the CIA men and women may have, people do inhumane things when a chain of command and orders from above are involved. It's one of the reasons why the old line 'they hate us for our freedom' rubs me the wrong way. Some of the latin American countries in particular have legitimate grievances.
The neo-conservatives support the CIA, many others on the democrat and republican side ignore the problems with the CIA. But they are doig some nasty things in the name of America to protect commercial (eg. business) interests, not necessarily the interests of the American people. They use the term 'blowback' to describe events like 911 where formerly CIA trained terror groups turn around and bite America in the ass.
Blind support for the CIA is not a good move guys, some things they do are certainly unconstitutional, inhumane and against the philosophical underpinnings of the US (liberty, freedom, human rights) and are often done so to protect US business interests.
all valid and good points, i cant argue the blowback effect. it seems we never learned to not trust 2bit dictators to stay on their leash. I agree that the cia does some shitty things, however i think they are a necessary evil. the cia can do things conventional forces cant and have 3rd party relationships to get the job done. they are good at what they do in light of some of their blunders. i dont pretend to be a cia nutswinger but the spooks do a competent job. compared to some of the things KGB have done, the CIA look like good little boy scouts
Even if the CIA isn't perfect, and does some things that are not always right, they are still one of our defenses. Obama thinks that everyone should just trust eachother and all will be well. This whole ideology of we'll trust you if you trust us, is not smart at all. The same thing applies to the whole 'no more nukes' thing. Eventually we will have too few defenses, and that may look good and all to other peacefull nations, but to aggressive terrorist nations we will just be sitting ducks.
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