here you are telling everyone that consoles are stupid and worthless and cost more money than a PC. then you go and factor in bullshit like the cost of online service and a fucking TV?
i will ask you again, since you ignored me the first time, why do you care what other people buy? if you love your PC then great! if other people want a console, so be it. it doesn't make them stupid or ignorant. if anything YOU are the ignorant jackass who is trying to convert people over to something using flawed logic.
enjoy buying a new video card, more ram and updating the software/drivers in less than a year.
jim
I've already tried explaining that to that dumbass, he wont understand.
Second.. MMO's make up a very SMALL portion of pc games. you clearly have no bearing whatsoever on how many pc games are released on a daily basis
..and mmo's on consoles cost extra too, so they'd cancel each other out.
why would i argue using something that's illegal? so you can say you can do the same on consoles?
nope, because a majority of people actually DO play computer games on 18-22" monitors... very very few people play consoles on something that small
WOW has 16 million subscribers....more than the amount of people that have Xbox live(12 million), so they just dont cancel each other out. MMOs again make up a VERY large portion of PC GAMERS.
The size doesn't matter. It can be done on a 19" for either Pcs or consoles. Majority of people will spend money on a bigger TV because.......they want a bigger TV, not because they have to.
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i'm only talking about price. i realize that depending on which type of games you like, that consoles could be a better choice.. im only trying to put an end to this myth of pc's being soooo much pricier than consoles
Well PC gaming is more expensive and there is no argument about that but I'm fine with that the same way a PS3/360 is more expensive than a Wii. PC's can do better graphics and computations for games so hence you pay more. You always pay for a better machine.
I see this argument alot, and I wonder why is it all PC people don't watch TV? Most people I know with a $1200 HDTV for there console, would probably still have a $1200 dollar TV with out a console.
As for the updates never causing problems on a pc, I call BS. Where I work the software updates I get typically cause as many problems as they fix. We used to stay two updates behind, just to be sure nothing major will go wrong. Nothing like getting a email a month after an update saying your system can't transfer loads properly and you have to do it by hand. And anything done in the last month is wrong.
duhhh they also build there own tvs
notice no one has yet been able to come up with pictures or found someone to show those of us that are curious the joys of PC gamming I wonder why
That is the WORST logic I have heard. You are the type of person that is associated with console gaming
what do you mean worst logice? I was making a comment to a friend of mine on here about how I really am honest about wanting to check out some systems and see them in action. If it fits my needs and is as easy and kick ass as everyone says I would be willing to build up my system instead of picking up the next console when it comes out.
And by the way many of you I guess overlook the fact that consoles are now nothing more then limited parameter PC's is all. I mean heck the 360 and PS3 were at some point probably good set ups for gamming to an extente just way back when.
WOW has 16 million subscribers....more than the amount of people that have Xbox live(12 million), so they just dont cancel each other out. MMOs again make up a VERY large portion of PC GAMERS.
no, they DO cancel out, because if you want to play a console MMO, the price for it is NOT NOT NOT, and once again NOT included in the price of live.
In other words,.. if you play an MMO on a pc.. it will cost you $13 / month
if you play an MMO on a console, it will cost you $18/ month ($5 + $13)
so, in other words.. the 13's cancel each other out,.. and the console remains $5/month more to play online than the pc.
come on, this is simple math.
i understand that WoW is one of the more popular games on the PC, but it's flawed logic to assume you have to factor that cost into your gaming if you're a pc gamer... it's entirely voluntary to play,.. millions do NOT play, and Live is NOT voluntary(for online gaming, which is a core part of the majority of current games)
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The size doesn't matter. It can be done on a 19" for either Pcs or consoles. Majority of people will spend money on a bigger TV because.......they want a bigger TV, not because they have to.
it CAN,.. sure, but the majority of people do NOT play consoles on sub 20" tv's nor would they want to.. whereas MOST pc gamers DO play on an 18-22" monitor.
here you are telling everyone that consoles are stupid and worthless and cost more money than a PC. then you go and factor in bullshit like the cost of online service and a fucking TV?
i will ask you again, since you ignored me the first time, why do you care what other people buy? if you love your PC then great! if other people want a console, so be it. it doesn't make them stupid or ignorant. if anything YOU are the ignorant jackass who is trying to convert people over to something using flawed logic.
enjoy buying a new video card, more ram and updating the software/drivers in less than a year.
jim
Apparently you missed the central point of all my arguments..."PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming". That's where the ignorance comment comes from. If you don't realize that gaming on a PC is cheaper than gaming on a console, then you're ignorant.
And I've never said that consoles are stupid and worthless, although some of them may be now that you mention it. I had a lot of fun playing my friends Wii when I had the chance, but I can't justify playing an XBox or a PS3 with a crappy controller when I can use a keyboard and mouse and have so much more precision.
It's too bad that Microsoft decided not to implement unified network coding in the new Halo game, it would have been SO much fun destroying Xbox gamers and listening to them bitch about it not being fair that PC gamers get a keyboard and mouse.
Apparently you missed the central point of all my arguments..."PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming". That's where the ignorance comment comes from. If you don't realize that gaming on a PC is cheaper than gaming on a console, then you're ignorant.
And I've never said that consoles are stupid and worthless, although some of them may be now that you mention it. I had a lot of fun playing my friends Wii when I had the chance, but I can't justify playing an XBox or a PS3 with a crappy controller when I can use a keyboard and mouse and have so much more precision.
It's too bad that Microsoft decided not to implement unified network coding in the new Halo game, it would have been SO much fun destroying Xbox gamers and listening to them bitch about it not being fair that PC gamers get a keyboard and mouse.
..but why would they do that? I'm convinced that MS is trying to kill PC gaming.. after all.. they make more money on Xbox software than anything(being that they imposed a "because they'll pay it" tax on software). People are gonna buy windows regardless... and thats about the extent of how Microsoft can profit on that. it's a good thing Valve stepped in to resuscitate the industry to the point where it's a BEAUTIFUL time to be a pc gamer, regardless of MS's absense.
Apparently you missed the central point of all my arguments..."PC gaming is cheaper than console gaming". That's where the ignorance comment comes from. If you don't realize that gaming on a PC is cheaper than gaming on a console, then you're ignorant.
And I've never said that consoles are stupid and worthless, although some of them may be now that you mention it. I had a lot of fun playing my friends Wii when I had the chance, but I can't justify playing an XBox or a PS3 with a crappy controller when I can use a keyboard and mouse and have so much more precision.
It's too bad that Microsoft decided not to implement unified network coding in the new Halo game, it would have been SO much fun destroying Xbox gamers and listening to them bitch about it not being fair that PC gamers get a keyboard and mouse.
so PC gaming is cheaper?
honestly, how much will a PC cost that can ANY game thats out now and will be out in the next couple years at full res, HD, everything turned on with no lag, etc etc etc? and forget putting it together yourself since consoles are already together. and you can also leave out the cost of a monitor.
if it's more than a Wii, 360 or PS3 (and it is) then you're wrong.
and skip pirating games or other software since we are trying to keep this legal.
jim
edit - also when you say shit like "crappy controllers" you are showing the same ignorance that seems to be bothering you. to YOU they are crappy, to other people, they are great. i don't like PC gaming anymore since i am used to console controllers now and haven't touched a keyboard/mouse since Half Life - Team Fortress. also, you can plug a keyboard and mouse into a PS3, YAY!
..but why would they do that? I'm convinced that MS is trying to kill PC gaming.. after all.. they make more money on Xbox software than anything(being that they imposed a "because they'll pay it" tax on software). People are gonna buy windows regardless... and thats about the extent of how Microsoft can profit on that. it's a good thing Valve stepped in to resuscitate the industry to the point where it's a BEAUTIFUL time to be a pc gamer, regardless of MS's absense.
That wouldn't explain why MS started the "Games for Windows" initiative. Creating a standard to destroy an industry? Only reasoning I can see is because they're sick of building seperate architectures for two systems and want to drop the DX API.
I'm more apt to believe they're headed in the direction of unification between systems. My guess is Windows 7 and the next Xbox (720?) will have a unified architecture; the Xbox will probably be Windows-based and will cost a good amount more than this current version...which would be hilarious considering all the comments from the last 3 pages!
honestly, how much will a PC cost that can ANY game thats out now and will be out in the next couple years at full res, HD, everything turned on with no lag, etc etc etc? and forget putting it together yourself since consoles are already together. and you can also leave out the cost of a monitor.
if it's more than a Wii, 360 or PS3 (and it is) then you're wrong.
and skip pirating games or other software since we are trying to keep this legal.
jim
edit - also when you say shit like "crappy controllers" you are showing the same ignorance that seems to be bothering you. to YOU they are crappy, to other people, they are great. i don't like PC gaming anymore since i am used to console controllers now and haven't touched a keyboard/mouse since Half Life - Team Fortress. also, you can plug a keyboard and mouse into a PS3, YAY!
the prices have been broken down several times in the thread. pc gaming is cheaper. always was, always will be. FACT
a gamepad will never have the precision of keyboard and mouse. FACT
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