All I know is my elite 360= $400 for system. [done]
New built PC= $230 quad core CPU, $240 videocard, $130 SATA drive, $80 case, $230 Asus MB. So far $910. And those are the cheapest prices for those items, I did a lot of shopping around. RAM was free (my friend bought 2gb of DDR2 when his system uses DDR) and OS was free (used old copy of XP). SO, if I was starting from scratch, that would be another $200+ for Vista and if I wasnt lucky that would be another $80+ for RAM.
So we total at least $1190 for a new system. (not including peripherals). Ill still need to get better RAM (1066 as opposed to the cheap 533 Im using now) and eventually Vista (especially if I want to use DX10). Ill also add on a another videocard for a total of 2.
And I dont know one PC Ive had thats lasted for 2 years, let alone 4. If you're any kind of PC gamer, running at "low/med res" isnt good enough, so you'll probably be buying a new rig ever 2 years at least.
Nothing wrong with a quad. And yea, of course its want. I WANT my PC to run games (among other things) nicely for at least 8 months without having to upgrade (or make a major upgrade). Really, who is a PC gamer and goes "Ill just buy enough to run the game." Sorry, 800x600 at 30fps isnt next-gen gaming.
but it's irrelevant when comparing to console games. as long as you can hit 720p, you're making a fair comparison. more resolution = more horsepower and it becomes an unfair comparison. and you dont need quad cores to hit anything close to 720p... most games dont even take advantage of them.
but it's irrelevant when comparing to console games. as long as you can hit 720p, you're making a fair comparison. more resolution = more horsepower and it becomes an unfair comparison. and you dont need quad cores to hit anything close to 720p... most games dont even take advantage of them.
From a real horsepower standpoint, some quads are just better. Taking the 230$ price it sounds like a q6600
q6600 vs e6850 (2.4ghzx4 vs 3.0ghzx2)
The q6600 actually performs better on current games, going back to FEAR the FRAPS scores are better. If you take overclocking into account the q6600 destroys the e6850. Even if games are not taking advantage, its the smarter chip to buy because...
1) It performs better now
2) It will be taken advantage of in the future
I have a 2 top of the line quad machines that would run circles around everything i've seen posted in here and i never play games on them.
In my line they'll both be outdated in a few more mths anyway and need to be replaced.
My xbox/ps3/wii are good for 4 years good enough.
PC gaming will never be cheaper. a good machine is atleast twice an xbox a great machine is a vacation. Both only good for 12-24 mths if you a "gamer" whatever thats supposed to mean.
I have a 2 top of the line quad machines that would run circles around everything i've seen posted in here and i never play games on them.
In my line they'll both be outdated in a few more mths anyway and need to be replaced.
My xbox/ps3/wii are good for 4 years good enough.
PC gaming will never be cheaper. a good machine is atleast twice an xbox a great machine is a vacation. Both only good for 12-24 mths if you a "gamer" whatever thats supposed to mean.
I have a 2 top of the line quad machines that would run circles around everything i've seen posted in here and i never play games on them.
In my line they'll both be outdated in a few more mths anyway and need to be replaced.
My xbox/ps3/wii are good for 4 years good enough.
PC gaming will never be cheaper. a good machine is atleast twice an xbox a great machine is a vacation. Both only good for 12-24 mths if you a "gamer" whatever thats supposed to mean.
you're an intelligent guy.,. surely you understand the difference between top of the line and comparable to an xbox.
i keep hearing all this bullshit about oh that computer can't run crysis though, well,.. neither does the xbox, or ps3.
XP came out in 2000? Really? Then how come my friends brand new computer, which he purchased in JUNE of 2001 came with Windows 2000 (Or ME, i cant remember for sure)? I didnt get XP on a computer till around the beginning of 2002. I believe it was release in October of 2001, douche. And you say you got yours a little early? Having family that works at Microsoft, I know that there was no such promotions. MS is extremely secretive with their programs before launch.
You also mentioned that PC versions look better than their Console brethren? You must not read Multi-platform gaming reviews a lot. Pretty much every game that comes out with multiple versions (360, ps3, pc), the console editions get better scores because they look just as good, and are easier to play. You keep bringing up the "PC COD4 multiplayer has shadows, while the consoles dont!"
OK, that is one mark against one game. How many other games are out that are really that much better?
Give it a year or so, and you will see crysis running the the 360/ps3. One thing you are not realizing is that the graphics on a console dont remain the same throughout its lifespan. They evolve as programmers figure out faster/better/easier ways to use the components. If you want proof, look at any launch title for the ps2 or original xbox, and compare it with a game closer to the end of that systems life. Graphics are 10x better. With a PC, the tech is changing so rapidly (last time i recall, every 6 months or so) that a programmer for any given game has to be able to make their stuff run on as many configurations as possible. Now, if the whole tech industry just STOPS making newer and better things for, say one year, then the graphics on a PC would have no equal.
One last note, the whole TV/Monitors thing doesnt fly in this arguement, because most people dont buy a TV JUST for gaming. They use it to watch TV and movies and whatnot. A computer monitor is used with... a computer. Yes, you could watch TV on one, but why stare at a 21" monitor when you have a nice big 32" TV in the other room... with your couch, no less?
I dont know. Its 1:44am, and i have work in the morning. This just caught my attention and i thought i would throw in some more. And, BTW, this is coming from a former PC gamer.
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XP came out in 2000? Really? Then how come my friends brand new computer, which he purchased in JUNE of 2001 came with Windows 2000 (Or ME, i cant remember for sure)? I didnt get XP on a computer till around the beginning of 2002. I believe it was release in October of 2001, douche. And you say you got yours a little early? Having family that works at Microsoft, I know that there was no such promotions. MS is extremely secretive with their programs before launch.
you're absolutely wrong. microsoft ALWAYS releases early versions of os's and dev tools to developers and students.
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You also mentioned that PC versions look better than their Console brethren? You must not read Multi-platform gaming reviews a lot. Pretty much every game that comes out with multiple versions (360, ps3, pc), the console editions get better scores because they look just as good, and are easier to play. You keep bringing up the "PC COD4 multiplayer has shadows, while the consoles dont!"
OK, that is one mark against one game. How many other games are out that are really that much better?
most of them. gears of war, assassins creed. games that come out for the pc as well have better graphics on the pc version.. except in the rare case of a game like madden where they put in a half assed effort
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Give it a year or so, and you will see crysis running the the 360/ps3.
..in some form. it wont be nearly as full blown as the pc version
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One thing you are not realizing is that the graphics on a console dont remain the same throughout its lifespan. They evolve as programmers figure out faster/better/easier ways to use the components. If you want proof, look at any launch title for the ps2 or original xbox, and compare it with a game closer to the end of that systems life. Graphics are 10x better. With a PC, the tech is changing so rapidly (last time i recall, every 6 months or so) that a programmer for any given game has to be able to make their stuff run on as many configurations as possible. Now, if the whole tech industry just STOPS making newer and better things for, say one year, then the graphics on a PC would have no equal.
same thing with pc games. graphics from games 3 years ago are nowhere near what they are today. pc graphics evolve much faster than console graphics do, AND even on the hardware side, nVidia supports the crap out of their cards and continually releases free driver updates every few months that deliver performance enhancements to all currently supported cards(going back 2 or 3 years). within a year or so, nvidia will incorporate the physX code to their 8-series and higher cards, and the gap between consoles and pc's will widen even further.
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One last note, the whole TV/Monitors thing doesnt fly in this arguement, because most people dont buy a TV JUST for gaming. They use it to watch TV and movies and whatnot. A computer monitor is used with... a computer. Yes, you could watch TV on one, but why stare at a 21" monitor when you have a nice big 32" TV in the other room... with your couch, no less?
so you don't count the cost of a tv because it's not used just for games, but you guys want to include the full cost of a computer, even though that is not just used for games?
Alright, im not one to argue, so i will say this: You just need to point out your OPINION and then let others point THEIRS out. Thats all. There is no need for you to tear apart everything they say just to make yourself seem so smart and high&mighty. Regardless of what you think, you are not the forum genius here. There is always somebody smarter than you, and there always will be. Maybe not here, right now, but there is, so just drop it and let people think what they want. Thanks!
Alright, im not one to argue, so i will say this: You just need to point out your OPINION and then let others point THEIRS out.
you might want to look up the definition of "opinion". the price of something is not an opinion, it's a fact.
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Thats all. There is no need for you to tear apart everything they say just to make yourself seem so smart and high&mighty. Regardless of what you think, you are not the forum genius here.
never said i was a genius. just close to it.
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Maybe not here, right now, but there is, so just drop it and let people think what they want. Thanks!
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