1. the biggest games online nowadays all have anti cheating mechanisms that are required to be updated to the latest versions in order to play. if you try to connect without the latest updates, you get kicked within 5 minutes. anyone who cries about cheaters is just a sore loser.
2. the yearly cost of MMO's is the *SAME* on consoles and pc's. i don't see why we should even be talking about it. it cancels itself out on either side of the coin. also, there's a couple MMO's on pc that are FREE per month, there are NO MMO's on consoles that are free per month
my point is that gaming on a PC is not always free you do sometimes have to pay a monthly fee.
even with updates people still find ways around. and much more so on pc then consoles.
when you play on a console you expect to get raped on update charges and when you play on a pc you expect to get modded.
although more companies are starting to lean towards charging for updates to pc owners like they do console guys.
O and one last thing before I jump out of here cause this will go the way all these type of threads go, no matter what anyone says the reality is that while pc games look a ton better you do have to pay a hefty price to get them to run at their best. the more hype around a new PC game the more costly the video card to run it right will be. Cyrsis to run full on and be at a good frame rate that shows off the game to back up all the hype needs one of the new cards out that runs about $550 bucks.
There have been a ton of reviews about the video card and the game and as long as I can remember pc guys always brag about how great pc stuff is but then to actually see the games run like they brag it cost a ton.
Another big thing is that there are far more console gamers that do not have a pc gaming rig then there are pc guys that do not have a console.
Consoles are just more fun and user friendly or at least more popular and are gaining momentum all the time. over the years PC gamers will have to pay damm near the same stupid fees that console guys do for updates, expansions and so on.
my point is that gaming on a PC is not always free you do sometimes have to pay a monthly fee.
but on the console you need to pay for xbox live PLUS the mmo fee. you're not making a point for your argument.
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even with updates people still find ways around. and much more so on pc then consoles.
you're clinging onto an argument with statistics that you're assuming and really have no idea what you're talking about
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when you play on a console you expect to get raped on update charges and when you play on a pc you expect to get modded.
i dont think you understand what mods are... mods are changes to the game that essentially add a new way to play or change the game entirely. mods are not cheats(well, they could be.. but they'd work for all of a day or so).
mods are ADDED VALUE to pc games. for example, for half life 2(for free) i have the garry's mod which is a physics playground and the goldeneye mod which transforms the game into goldeneye. counterstrike also started as a mod to half life 1, and team fortress started as a mod to quake.
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although more companies are starting to lean towards charging for updates to pc owners like they do console guys.
i don't even get what you're talking about here. i've never been charged to "update" a pc game in my life, and i play pretty much every big title.
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Console.... $310(8800 gt + 1gb ram over your existing computer)
What fucking ass did you pull $310 out of? You're assuming that everyone ALREADY has a good monitor, good speakers, a decent mouse, a fast hard drive, a motherboard and CPU that can run a PCI-E x16 card without any trouble, and already has good ram to mix the new ram in with. All ram is not created equal and there's a lot of garbage out there that can't handle any sort of aggressive timing.
To build a GOOD computer that doesn't require you to run your games on the lowest quality setting at 20fps, you're looking at $1000 including the monitor and speakers. If you want to max out all your options you're definitely going into the $2000-3000 range depending on what you want.
In 3 years you don't have to upgrade your console through 6 generations of technology updates like you do with a PC. You buy a DirectX 10 card now and in 3 years they'll have DirectX 12 out with all sorts of shit your $400 video card doesn't support. Also, when you do decide to buy that new video card, chances are it's on a new bus, sorta like the AGP 1X-8X deal, now PCI Express 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, which means in order to use a new card you're looking to buy a new motherboard. But the socket your CPU uses is now been replaced and you have to change that with the motherboard. Then of course the bus on the new CPU is faster so you need faster RAM to enjoy the new CPU to the fullest extent. Next thing you know, you just built another computer. Everything is consistent on the console, everyone sees nearly the same image and you don't have to worry about dropping down to 15-20fps because your shit can't handle the game. You don't have to upgrade it every year or two.
I prefer PCs to consoles, but there is no way in hell you can figure that a PC is the cheaper route. You're a moron if you think otherwise.
I did not say they do all charge yet but are leaning to wards it. as in they realize how much money they could be making if they start to charge pc gamers like they do console.
and its not assuming I am just talking from personal experience that for all the people that play consoles that I know very few have game pc or game on their pc while most of the pc people I know have at least 1 console
On the PC I went from a Radeon 9550 to a Geforce7800 gs. Those are AGP cards. Now if I were to do that today then I would have to also figure in the cost of a NEW computer system.....or some major part upgrades which would run me basically $500.00 not including the graphics card.
For me to just to be able to buy a 360 or a ps3 or a Wii for under $500 ready to play, it is more cost effective for me. I think you should include the cost of the computer because for every 4 years you will need a new computer to be competitive with the new systems IMHO
thats my $0.02
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What fucking ass did you pull $310 out of? You're assuming that everyone ALREADY has a good monitor, good speakers, a decent mouse, a fast hard drive, a motherboard and CPU that can run a PCI-E x16 card without any trouble, and already has good ram to mix the new ram in with. All ram is not created equal and there's a lot of garbage out there that can't handle any sort of aggressive timing.
To build a GOOD computer that doesn't require you to run your games on the lowest quality setting at 20fps, you're looking at $1000 including the monitor and speakers. If you want to max out all your options you're definitely going into the $2000-3000 range depending on what you want.
In 3 years you don't have to upgrade your console through 6 generations of technology updates like you do with a PC. You buy a DirectX 10 card now and in 3 years they'll have DirectX 12 out with all sorts of shit your $400 video card doesn't support. Everything is consistent on the console, everyone sees nearly the same image and you don't have to worry about dropping down to 15-20fps because your shit can't handle the game.
I prefer PCs to consoles, but there is no way in hell you can figure that a PC is the cheaper route. You're a moron if you think otherwise.
he is not a moron just one of many people that does not realize how crappy most peoples home computers are. for many people it will cost less to get a console up and running and looking good then it would a pc set up.
I remember way back when tribes was popular and I remember the head ach that I had trying to play that game on my PC. most of the other players seemed to move faster and be more accurate and that was because they could actually see the game better and have it run better then I could. it would have cost me hundreds of bucks to have as good a set up. a friend of mine at the time tried on my pc and played so much worse cause of how crappy it was while I did better on his pc.
at the time I was only into arcade gaming (fighters and doing their tournaments) so I did not have console. now that I do play console games I still would like to play pc ones a well but between having to learn keyboard and mouse(which for some reason kills my hands and wrists much more so then a controller) and having to spend money to update my pc so that I can run the games that I would want to play at at least 30fps constant it just be to much money for the little that I would use it.
consoles are easy and fun for me. I pay more user fees but it worth it to me. and I know that about every 3 years I will probably have to buy a new system but that better then the upgrade every 8 months to keep my pc going steady
What fucking ass did you pull $310 out of? You're assuming that everyone ALREADY has a good monitor, good speakers, a decent mouse, a fast hard drive, a motherboard and CPU that can run a PCI-E x16 card without any trouble, and already has good ram to mix the new ram in with. All ram is not created equal and there's a lot of garbage out there that can't handle any sort of aggressive timing.
ok, so we're going to include displays and speakers now? so that tacks at least $1000 onto the Xbox for a reasonable HDTV and we'll say $200 for a modest receiver/speakers. on the pc side, we'll get an average sized monitor(22"), and a decent set of speakers... total cost $300
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To build a GOOD computer that doesn't require you to run your games on the lowest quality setting at 20fps, you're looking at $1000 including the monitor and speakers. If you want to max out all your options you're definitely going into the $2000-3000 range depending on what you want.
my $1000(thats a year ago,.. would be about 600 now) computer plays everything. including crysis at about 25fps on high settings/high res. every other game plays 60-100 fps. oh, about 50fps for oblivion with everything maxed
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In 3 years you don't have to upgrade your console through 6 generations of technology updates like you do with a PC. You buy a DirectX 10 card now and in 3 years they'll have DirectX 12 out with all sorts of shit your $400 video card doesn't support.
..and neither will the consoles. this argument is EXACTLY like saying "even if you put 87octane in an srt-4, it can keep pace with a corolla. but since the srt-4 can run better if you choose to spend more on 93octane, the corolla is the better car"
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Also, when you do decide to buy that new video card, chances are it's on a new bus, sorta like the AGP 1X-8X deal, now PCI Express 1.0, 1.1, 2.0,
thats only if you get caught between generations, and even then, you can still find new cards with the legacy bus for a few years in between. you're probably not keeping your computer more than 4-5 years anyway.. for gaming or otherwise
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Everything is consistent on the console, everyone sees nearly the same image and you don't have to worry about dropping down to 15-20fps because your shit can't handle the game. You don't have to upgrade it every year or two.
again, you're confusing playing a game *as good as the xbox can* with playing the game *on maximum settings*
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I prefer PCs to consoles, but there is no way in hell you can figure that a PC is the cheaper route. You're a moron if you think otherwise.
nope. you sir, are the moron, and i just proved it.
On the PC I went from a Radeon 9550 to a Geforce7800 gs. Those are AGP cards. Now if I were to do that today then I would have to also figure in the cost of a NEW computer system.....or some major part upgrades which would run me basically $500.00 not including the graphics card.
For me to just to be able to buy a 360 or a ps3 or a Wii for under $500 ready to play, it is more cost effective for me. I think you should include the cost of the computer because for every 4 years you will need a new computer to be competitive with the new systems IMHO
thats my $0.02
..but you'd need a new computer every four years or so ANYWAY, regardless of gaming.
ok, so we're going to include displays and speakers now? so that tacks at least $1000 onto the Xbox for a reasonable HDTV and we'll say $200 for a modest receiver/speakers. on the pc side, we'll get an average sized monitor(22"), and a decent set of speakers... total cost $300
A good monitor for gaming costs about $400, a decent set of speakers will be $50-100.
I use my monitor for my Xbox 360, since I already had a decent one hooked up to my computer. You don't need an HDTV to play on an Xbox 360, and if you wanted to, I've seen plenty of HDTV's of decent size for $500-700 with speakers built-in.
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my $1000(thats a year ago,.. would be about 600 now) computer plays everything. including crysis at about 25fps on high settings/high res. every other game plays 60-100 fps. oh, about 50fps for oblivion with everything maxed
Your $1000 PC won't play anything in 2 years, and an 8800GT will be a dinosaur in 4 years.
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thats only if you get caught between generations, and even then, you can still find new cards with the legacy bus for a few years in between. you're probably not keeping your computer more than 4-5 years anyway.. for gaming or otherwise
Using a card that supports an older bus limits your options. The older buses are slower and why would you spend so much money to get a faster video card when you'll still be limited by the bus speed? And what do you do when a switch like AGP to PCI-E is made? You go out and buy another motherboard and CPU.
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nope. you sir, are the moron, and i just proved it.
You haven't proven anything, other than the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. Especially when you said this:
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you're probably not keeping your computer more than 4-5 years anyway..
So after 4 years you end up buying another computer, and if you want a good one, you're spending $1500 or more. Meanwhile, the console guys in 4 years will just buy another console for $400.
My current computer is 6 years old. It does everything i need it to do and plays the last gen games on max settings. If i wanted to play Crysis on decent settings I would have to buy a whole new machine. Gaming is the only thing I would do on the computer that would require a lot of power, othwerise its fine.
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