Ok, when it comes to gadgets and electronics, I'm like Jessica simpson and buffalo wings...Just looking for some suggestions on what I will need to keep the car running smoothly as a daily driver (until I save $ for the turbo kit next)
Motor will be rebuilt in December with these mods:
Crower stage 2 cams (origional) with install kit, and TI springs and retainers.
DCR oil flow modifier
DCR oil system upgrade (oil pump w/ coated gears, crank scraper + baffle pickup tube, and big filter kit)
DCR Billet tensioner
DCR headstuds
DCR 5 layer headgasket
Unorthodox Racing adjustable cam gears
Rebuild kit munus oil pump and headgasket.
JE pistons 8:5:1 overbore with crower rods (pistons will have larger valve reliefs machined by DCR)
Current power mods on the car right now are:
Stage 2 w/o toys
FBM ported turbo/exaust manifold (ceramic coated)
FBM ported intake manifold
LFS 60mm TB
Turbonetics coldside w/ Greddy RS bov
PTP hotside/Charge pipe
ED Superbeast
Needswings d/p w/ e-cutout and Mopar Catback
The head will have portwork, along with the bottom end rebuild too, a new clutch, and b/s removal.
With dyno tuning before/after the build, What are some good items to consider before the tune, in terms of engine managment. Budget would be around $1000 for electronics max. I know a wideband, but what would you suggest that would be user friendly, and easy to use and manage? (I have a laptop)
Thanks
Kinda depends on a lot of things. Do you want to tune it your self or have a shop tune it? If you want a shop to tune it the best thing to do is go talk to all the shops in your area and find one you trust and see what they use to tune with. Ashneet has found good luck having his Dtech tuned at a couple shops and Eric has had a horrible experience with a shop trying to tune his car.
If you wanna tune it your self you will need to look for the options you want to get and be able to control and then find a platform that has been out for a while and is stable enough for you to tune with. Also you might want to think of either getting a system that has datalogging ability or a seperate data logging system so you can get the info on a run then pull over and tune to the log instead of trying to drive and watch gauges.
Dtech, SAFC, SAFC2, NEO, AEM standalone (above your money limit new). Those are the ones i would say to take a look at. There are others, but either they are new or very "geek" intensive. Some control both boost and fuel while others just fuel, and others (AEM) everything your car can ever do.
Just read a lot and talk with people who have, own and tune the different systems. Good luck on your hunt.
Randy
AEM is the only real way to go, esp with the mods you have/plan on having. Anything else will just send you back to the shop crying about a blown motor.
AEM is the best, most drivable, tuning device you can have for any turbo car. SAFC, and etc only tune WOT leaving your car voulnerable to the varying boost conditions brought out by normal daily driving. Most ems applications could never fathom a 3d fuel map. Additionally, the AEM is all you will ever need to control water/meth, nitrous, anti-lag, traction control, staged boost, electric boost control, and pretty much anything else you can imagine.
ooh, did I forget to mention, AEM makes waffles..... mmmmm..... waffles!
AEM is the only real way to go, esp with the mods you have/plan on having. Anything else will just send you back to the shop crying about a blown motor.
AEM is the best, most drivable, tuning device you can have for any turbo car. SAFC, and etc only tune WOT leaving your car voulnerable to the varying boost conditions brought out by normal daily driving. Most ems applications could never fathom a 3d fuel map. Additionally, the AEM is all you will ever need to control water/meth, nitrous, anti-lag, traction control, staged boost, electric boost control, and pretty much anything else you can imagine.
ooh, did I forget to mention, AEM makes waffles..... mmmmm..... waffles!
Nope, don't give out inaccurate info plz
...but I will agree that AEM is better...obviously
AEM is the only real way to go, esp with the mods you have/plan on having. Anything else will just send you back to the shop crying about a blown motor.
AEM is the best, most drivable, tuning device you can have for any turbo car. SAFC, and etc only tune WOT leaving your car voulnerable to the varying boost conditions brought out by normal daily driving. Most ems applications could never fathom a 3d fuel map. Additionally, the AEM is all you will ever need to control water/meth, nitrous, anti-lag, traction control, staged boost, electric boost control, and pretty much anything else you can imagine.
ooh, did I forget to mention, AEM makes waffles..... mmmmm..... waffles!
my mapclamp does me good dip in at 10.5 when wot then around 4 grand it smooths out to 11.5 to redline.
AEM is the only real way to go, esp with the mods you have/plan on having. Anything else will just send you back to the shop crying about a blown motor.
AEM is the best, most drivable, tuning device you can have for any turbo car. SAFC, and etc only tune WOT leaving your car voulnerable to the varying boost conditions brought out by normal daily driving. Most ems applications could never fathom a 3d fuel map. Additionally, the AEM is all you will ever need to control water/meth, nitrous, anti-lag, traction control, staged boost, electric boost control, and pretty much anything else you can imagine.
ooh, did I forget to mention, AEM makes waffles..... mmmmm..... waffles!
my mapclamp does me good dip in at 10.5 when wot then around 4 grand it smooths out to 11.5 to redline.
what about timing? boost control? etc? Theres a lot more to a tune than AFR
AEM is the only real way to go, esp with the mods you have/plan on having. Anything else will just send you back to the shop crying about a blown motor.
AEM is the best, most drivable, tuning device you can have for any turbo car. SAFC, and etc only tune WOT leaving your car voulnerable to the varying boost conditions brought out by normal daily driving. Most ems applications could never fathom a 3d fuel map. Additionally, the AEM is all you will ever need to control water/meth, nitrous, anti-lag, traction control, staged boost, electric boost control, and pretty much anything else you can imagine.
ooh, did I forget to mention, AEM makes waffles..... mmmmm..... waffles!
my mapclamp does me good dip in at 10.5 when wot then around 4 grand it smooths out to 11.5 to redline.
what about timing? boost control? etc? Theres a lot more to a tune than AFR
I will check my scan gauge again but its in the 30s and with my afr that is with 20psi and no knock. My car has the stock feel to it until you slam the gas down
I know it's a little out of my budget, but it's sounding like the AEM EMS is really the one thing I will need...Main pro's are the timing control, boost control, fuel, and launch control...Guess I'll have to save a little bit more
I have heard a few vendors sell them for around $1800 but they will not post those prices on the net. So call around before you buy and find the best price.
Nothing like total control over everything under the hood..............priceless.
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