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Old 05-29-2008, 09:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Interesting stuff about the TIP sensor

Some info I found in a book. I didn't knew that...

Now I got some questions.

Why is it better to unplug the TIP sensor on a S1 setup ?
Why does AGP doesn't use it?

It seems pretty important in the 'good workings mecanisms' of the engine...

Does it have a link with giving the ECU 'false informations' ? Like having a colder intake charge ? Making the timing and fuel injection different?



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Old 05-29-2008, 09:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I've had this paper in pdf for almost 2 years now. Its a good read. I tried to share it with everyone here but SAE has it security locked to only 1 computer.

I've posted this TIP tib-bit several times. Post #17 back in March is the latest. This thread might answer some of your questions too.

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AGP does use it, to the same extent that almost anyone with a big turbo does.
Once a lot of people go big turbo, they tend to remove all the factory solenoid lines. Once the TIP no longer has any vacuum source to it, it's putting out a consistant voltage. AGP's mod is simply a way to modify the stock TIP's voltage to match what a 3-bar TIP would put out, if people don't feel like buying a $125 3-bar TIP.
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Even SCT says you only need the TIP if you are letting the PCM control boost. Are they wrong?
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and out of curiosity, looking at that pic of the booklet, what's the "ACT"?
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Quote: Originally Posted by HCCAFan View Post
Even SCT says you only need the TIP if you are letting the PCM control boost. Are they wrong?

They aren't wrong... If you read a little bit more into what's underlined then that makes perfect sense.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Pit Viper View Post
and out of curiosity, looking at that pic of the booklet, what's the "ACT"?

ACT = Air charge temperature

Oh and it's defined above where the poster underlined the segment

It's the temp sensor in the cold side pipe fwiw
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Even SCT says you only need the TIP if you are letting the PCM control boost. Are they wrong?

Most likely right but why would you not want to use PCM boost?

like I said in the link
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its a shame AGP is forcing their customers throwing away the most sophisticated, comprehensive, not to mention free, Electronic Boost control available to them.

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Most likely right but why would you not want to use PCM boost?

like I said in the link

I'd have to have some compelling reasons to let it control boost to make me want to hook all of those solenoids back up and figure a way to route them all with a big turbo/hard pipes/aftermarket intake/intake manifold etc.
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I'd have to have some compelling reasons to let it control boost to make me want to hook all of those solenoids back up and figure a way to route them all with a big turbo/hard pipes/aftermarket intake/intake manifold etc.

Your loss,,,The best boost controller available is there waiting for you. All it would take is about 30min, some vac line, some common sense and a bit of ambition.
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If I could run PCM controlled boost on my car I would, but my car started out NA, so that's not really an option for me. I'm not liking the Profec E-01 too much right now.

Soon enough you guys should have the ability to turn all the TIP checks off. I currently have them all turned off on my car (yay no more CEL!), I've been testing it for SCT for the last week or so now.
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If I could run PCM controlled boost on my car I would, but my car started out NA, so that's not really an option for me. I'm not liking the Profec E-01 too much right now.

Soon enough you guys should have the ability to turn all the TIP checks off. I currently have them all turned off on my car (yay no more CEL!), I've been testing it for SCT for the last week or so now.

I'm using the 33 1/2 ohm resistor in my solenoids.
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Your loss,,,The best boost controller available is there waiting for you. All it would take is about 30min, some vac line, some common sense and a bit of ambition.

Without letting it control boost I can run 3 different boost settings. Pump, pump and meth, and race gas with meth or any variation of that. If I did PCM boost it would be the same all the time wouldn't it?
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Subscribing just to see the discussion possibly develop into some more detail. Going to look at the other linked thread.
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Without letting it control boost I can run 3 different boost settings. Pump, pump and meth, and race gas with meth or any variation of that. If I did PCM boost it would be the same all the time wouldn't it?

No, why should it?

Your XCal still saves 3 maps, right? Could you not just load a new map to match the fuel??

Wouldn't you want different A/F and ignition timing to go along with the different Boost lvl and different fuel??
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