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Old 07-02-2008, 09:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Are there base files that include the toys functionality to be added to a stock pcm?
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Are there base files that include the toys functionality to be added to a stock pcm?

stage computers with toys have extra hardware inside of them that allow the function of toys. Even if the software allowed for it, the hardware in your stock or stage 2 pcm will not. There's no real need for it either. You can store 3 different tunes for different conditions.
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stage computers with toys have extra hardware inside of them that allow the function of toys. Even if the software allowed for it, the hardware in your stock or stage 2 pcm will not. There's no real need for it either. You can store 3 different tunes for different conditions.

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but its a little tough to flash your computer while sitting at a light, versus pushing the HOM button
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what happens with the people with toys already like we dont get to use our intercooler sprayers or hom no more ?
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what happens with the people with toys already like we dont get to use our intercooler sprayers or hom no more ?

I'm not really sure. From what I understand, the stage 3 code has the software for it, but I have no clue if it will work or not. Send me your stage 2 or 3 pcm along with the toys and I'll find out!! JK
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This is what confuses me, I would have liked to have just the higher timing map (HOM), but i dont care about the sprayer or DAB features.

I would assume this is all software based, so I wonder why it wouldn't work. N2MB sells a device that can turn both DAB and HOM features on, on any s3 pcm, toys or no toys. This to me proves it is software based.
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This is what confuses me, I would have liked to have just the higher timing map (HOM), but i dont care about the sprayer or DAB features.

I would assume this is all software based, so I wonder why it wouldn't work. N2MB sells a device that can turn both DAB and HOM features on, on any s3 pcm, toys or no toys. This to me proves it is software based.

All stage 3 PCM's have the hardware and software built into them even if it is sold as "w/o toys", but stage 2 pcm's without toys and stage 1 and stock do not have the hardware. If you look at your pcm you will see a fourth area for a plug but it is empty. This is where the toys plug in. if it's empty, you do not have the hardware for it so having the software makes no difference. If you have the hardware, then you should, SHOULD, be able to start with the stage 3 tune and work from there. But since you have the sct you can easily tune the car so it doesn't need the "higher" map.

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All stage 3 PCM's have the hardware and software built into them even if it is sold as "w/o toys", but stage 2 pcm's without toys and stage 1 and stock do not have the hardware. If you look at your pcm you will see a fourth area for a plug but it is empty. This is where the toys plug in. if it's empty, you do not have the hardware for it so having the software makes no difference. If you have the hardware, then you should, SHOULD, be able to start with the stage 3 tune and work from there. But since you have the sct you can easily tune the car so it doesn't need the "higher" map.

actualy the 4th plug has a blank plug to plug in it because it isnt used the pins for hom and other features are in the normal 3 plugs for the pcm i thought it was in the 4th plug forever till i installed my HOM button for my old Stg2 W/Ts pcm
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Now find the black connector for the Dial-a-boost selector. Find the gray, purple, black, and short orange wires. Put the short

orange wire in slot #4, the black in #3, purple in #2, and the gray wire in #1 until they click. Then press in the yellow ends to lock the

wires in place.



Find the white connector for the HOM switch and the white and black wires. Put the black wire in slot #3 and the white wire in #2

until they click. Then press in the yellow ends to lock the wires in place.



Ok now we need to tap into the HVAC illumination signal for the Dial-a-boost switch. First pull the center air duct out. It’s behind where

the vents were. Then find the long orange wire and feed it back into the bezel and up to the HVAC controls. On the left side, above the fan

speed selector, you will see a connector. Slide the red tab back and pull the connector off the HVAC bezel. Find the orange wire in the

connector and strip ¼”- 3/8” of insulation away. Take the long orange wire from the toy’s harness and splice it into this orange wire,

solder in place, then use electrical tape to protect it. Reconnect it to the HVAC bezel.



Now there should be four wires left. These are indicator lights for the sprayer and HOM. Find the male, two-wire connector and the blue LED

that came with the S2 kit. Now find the red/white and yellow/black wires. Put the red/white wire into the connector slot labeled ‘A’ and the

yellow/black wire into the connector slot labeled ‘B’. Find the female. Two wire connector and the red LED that came with the S2 kit. There

should be two wires left, a red/white wire and a yellow/red wire. Put the red/white wire into the slot labeled ‘A’ and the yellow/red wire

into the slot labeled ‘B’. Be sure that you have pushed the wires until they click into the connectors and put the gray retaining clip in

place.



Now find an appropriate location for your indicator lights. They can be on the silver bezel, in the vents (may require a splice and

additional wire) or on the HVAC console. This is where I choose to put mine. Drill a 5/16” pilot hole for each LED holder. Route the leads

to where you need them, pull them through the pilot hole, place the LED holder over the LED until it locks and then push the assembly into

place. I had to do some additional drilling to get the LEDs where I wanted them. Also, you can see where I secured the leads in the back.



Now back to the toys bezel. Hook up the intercooler sprayer switch, dial-a-boost switch, and HOM switch. Reconnect the defrost switch

connector and the power supply connector. Screw it in place on the center console. Put the HVAC shroud back on, screw in place, replace the

vents, and push in the LED assemblies if you haven’t done so already. Done with the center console!



Secure the loose wiring loom under the dash using zip ties. I decided to attach it to the tubing underneath the steering assembly.



Find the blue/white wire on the loom. It should be near the square rubber flap we brought the harness into the cabin through. We’ll need to

get it to the interior fuse block. Now we have to splice it in the ignition power lead. It’s the blue/white wire in the fuse block. Inside

the driver’s side door jam, there is an access panel to a fuse center. Remove the door and the two screws holding the block in place.



With the fuse block out, find the blue/white wire in the #31 slot.



As with the orange wire splice in the HVAC harness, strip ~1/4” –3/8” from the wire.



Splice in the blue/white wire from the toys wiring harness, solder in place, and tape for protection.



Reinstall the fuse block and close the access door. Pull any excess loom out of the doorjamb. Slide the rubber seal until it is firmly in

place against the cabin. Pull the wiring loom from the engine bay side to take up any slack. Mount the S2 fuse holder to the sheet metal

near the hood hinge and reinstall the weather-stripping. Make sure the loom is near the foam by the hood hinge, and re install the window

shroud and wiper assemblies.





Now take the power lead from the loom and connect it to the power distribution plate in the fuse & relay center. Take the black ground lead

and attach it to the black ground right in front of the fuse & relay center. Now place the two relays in the empty space in the relay center

and attach with the Velcro provided in the S2 kit. Close the fuse & relay center cover. Because of the size of the loom, you may need to

modify the opening on the cover to make it fit properly.

Route the loom behind the fuse & relay center, down the side of the fender, behind the driver’s side headlamp. Don’t worry about securing

the loom just yet. You should have loose wiring near the PCM. You are about to splice into the connectors for the PCM. Please note that you

have to be EXTREMELY careful and take your time with this portion of the install. If you make a mistake, you will have downtime and

several $$ out of your pocket. That being said, get your 1/16” and 3/32” drill bits out, a pin vise or a drill if you have confidence in

your drilling precision.

Take the BLACK PCM connector and CAREFULLY cut the electrical tape away from the back of the plastic connector and tip of the

wiring loom. Now we have to take off the cover for the PCM. You will need small and large flathead screwdrivers to take the cover off.



If you break off the retaining tabs, don’t worry the S2 kit has 3 replacements. With the PCM shroud off, you should be able to see the

wiring and a numbering system. We need to drill through the top of the connector in slots 10 and 16 of this connector. Make sure you drill

extremely slow, and right in the middle of the slot. Don’t go past the black plastic. If you’re not 100% on, you risk damaging adjacent

wires. Now if you have done it correctly, you will see white silicone with a pinhole in it. The slot is still obstructed however, Use the

1/16” drill bit and push it through the backside and look at the front. You should see a black plastic pin coming out of the connector.

Remove it. Now pull the red retaining clip on the bottom over to one side. If you don’t, any wires you try to insert will be obstructed, as

this is the wiring lock that holds everything in place. Now we are ready to insert the wiring. Find the green and yellow/black wires. The

green wire goes in the #10 slot and the yellow/black wire goes in the #16 slot. Push them down until you hear them click. Slide the red

wiring lock back into place and put the PCM shroud back on the connector. Use electrical tape and tape around the end of the shroud and

first 1 ½” or so of loom. Then move onto the ORANGE PCM connector.

Carefully repeat the steps listed above for the shroud removal, wire unlock, and proceed to drill out the #22 slot. Find the gray wire and

insert it here. Lock the wires in place, replace shroud, and tape up. Move on to the WHITE connector.

Carefully repeat the steps listed above for the shroud removal, wire unlock, and proceed to drill out the #2 and #14 slots. Find the

yellow/red wire and white wire. Put the yellow/red wire in the #2 slot. Put the white wire in the #14 slot. Lock the wires in place, replace

shroud, and tape up.

Now reconnect all the connectors to the PCM and press the red tabs to lock them in place. Make sure they are all firmly in place. Use

electrical tape and zip ties and secure the loom from the PCM to the fuse & relay box making sure to keep it away from the cold air opening

for the airbox.

This is where my install stops. I didn’t install the intercooler sprayer portion of the kit just yet as I may want to run a separate tank

out of the trunk. I just haven’t made up my mind yet. For the meantime, I taped up the connector for the water pump and put the loom in a

zip lock baggie. I tucked it in a hole behind the driver’s side headlamp.

I reinstalled the airbox, cold air pipe, and made sure to put the wiring harnesses back in place (locking push tabs).

S2 pulls like a madman in dial-a-boost 2 and 3. Oh an HOM doesn’t suck either. Now I have to relearn how to drive the car.

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what happens with the people with toys already like we dont get to use our intercooler sprayers or hom no more ?

Flashing a Toys PCM retains all functionallity of Toys.

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Quote: Originally Posted by 04blusrt_4 View Post
This is what confuses me, I would have liked to have just the higher timing map (HOM), but i dont care about the sprayer or DAB features.

I would assume this is all software based, so I wonder why it wouldn't work. N2MB sells a device that can turn both DAB and HOM features on, on any s3 pcm, toys or no toys. This to me proves it is software based.


Piece of Cake just give me a call and I will set you up, you will need the 3 bar map and tip.

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Flashing a Toys PCM retains all functionallity of Toys.

Ted.

Good to know! I have a S2 with toys, but I purchased just the PCM from a member here, if I was to buy the SCT and the hardware to make the toys part functional could I tune the HOM side like the regular map? Would be nice to switch maps, have one set for daily driving and the HOM for the track, in my case a difference of over 10 psi.
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Good to know! I have a S2 with toys, but I purchased just the PCM from a member here, if I was to buy the SCT and the hardware to make the toys part functional could I tune the HOM side like the regular map? Would be nice to switch maps, have one set for daily driving and the HOM for the track, in my case a difference of over 10 psi.

I would like to know this same thing. I'm not sure if there is a set tune for HOM or is it the computer just adding extra timing on top of the other map. Like madwax said if it could change your tune for HOM that would be great you could run 11.5 a/fs and lower timing for pump and low 12 a/fs with higher timing on HOM and more boost if your using the ecu to control your boost.
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Good to know! I have a S2 with toys, but I purchased just the PCM from a member here, if I was to buy the SCT and the hardware to make the toys part functional could I tune the HOM side like the regular map? Would be nice to switch maps, have one set for daily driving and the HOM for the track, in my case a difference of over 10 psi.

Yes, we did a non toys PCM that had an aftermarket Toys package and the functionality was still there after installing my base tune.

The toys switch allows on the fly timing changes.

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I would like to know this same thing. I'm not sure if there is a set tune for HOM or is it the computer just adding extra timing on top of the other map. Like madwax said if it could change your tune for HOM that would be great you could run 11.5 a/fs and lower timing for pump and low 12 a/fs with higher timing on HOM and more boost if your using the ecu to control your boost.

Just to clearify what HOM is.
HOM is just that, Timing and boost for High Octane fuel, you cannot run HOM on pump gas unless you inject Meth for Octane Adder.
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I know what HOM is I have s3 with toys. What I was asking is say you flash a pump gas tune onto the ecu can you tune for when HOM is activated to lean it out a little bit and throw more timing. So when HOM is off you have a/f's is the mid 11's and timing in the high 20's then when HOM is activated its almost like a race gas map, but you dont have to reflash your ecu for a race gas map you just hitthe HOM switch and it leans it out to say low 12's a/f and timing in the upper 30's at redline. If you still dont understand let me know.
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